RE: Religious Liberty?
February 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2016 at 10:08 pm by bennyboy.)
I feel like we should probably have a new thread, because this discussion is mostly beyond religious influence now, but let me say this: I agree with Brian37 about excessive greed, exactly BECAUSE that seems to be people's religion. The belief is that money is God, and nothing else matters, and that is pretty sick.
Given this view, then let's get back to the OP, and ask about liberty. Does a very rich person have a moral obligation to pay more than he needs to? If he can talk someone into working for pennies a day, why shouldn't he? Isn't the blame on all the members of a society who allow themselves to be manipulated into a situation where they can't fight back?
Let's look at the US elections as an example. If it was clear that NOBODY would vote for a money-is-God capitalist, then I can guarantee that every politician in the US would be all about fairness. But then there's Trump. How can you have a population of fucking idiots like that, and then feel sorry when they get fucked time after time? Maybe they should stop bending over.
I agree that changes should be made. But isn't demonizing the powers that be really more about scape-goating than making change? People will engage in hours of typing to participate in a forum thread like this one. . . but they aren't willing to spend that same amount of time standing in front of the White House with a sign, or working in a soup kitchen, or volunteering in places that need help. Brian37, I've decided to make my little stamp on the world IN my company. I let employees go home early more often than not, I offer to pay for training courses if they want them, I pay for gym memberships, and I give them performance bonuses that are not stipulated in their contracts, just 'cuz. What, other than complaining on an internet forum, are you actually DOING to improve the inequalities you gripe about?
One more thing. Who's rich, and who isn't? I'm pretty sure that the regions where big companies outsource are poorer per capita than the American cities which they leave behind. If you are such a champion of fairness, doesn't that mean that ALL companies are obliged to relocate to the place where their wages will achieve the maximum possible good? Shouldn't little M'buku's family in Africa complain that you are trying to prevent business from sharing North American or European wealth by insisting those companies stay at home?
I'd also like to suggest that the wealthy should have other ways to win the game: public adoration for those who donate money to good causes, for example. I'd even be in favor of bought ranks. How much would a guy like Trump be paid to be called: Grand Vizier of the Lands of Las Vegas and Dominant Duke of New York City, and to make everyone call him that all the time? Make every who meets him bound by law to bow and say nice things about his hair or something, and start paying off that national debt.
Given this view, then let's get back to the OP, and ask about liberty. Does a very rich person have a moral obligation to pay more than he needs to? If he can talk someone into working for pennies a day, why shouldn't he? Isn't the blame on all the members of a society who allow themselves to be manipulated into a situation where they can't fight back?
Let's look at the US elections as an example. If it was clear that NOBODY would vote for a money-is-God capitalist, then I can guarantee that every politician in the US would be all about fairness. But then there's Trump. How can you have a population of fucking idiots like that, and then feel sorry when they get fucked time after time? Maybe they should stop bending over.
I agree that changes should be made. But isn't demonizing the powers that be really more about scape-goating than making change? People will engage in hours of typing to participate in a forum thread like this one. . . but they aren't willing to spend that same amount of time standing in front of the White House with a sign, or working in a soup kitchen, or volunteering in places that need help. Brian37, I've decided to make my little stamp on the world IN my company. I let employees go home early more often than not, I offer to pay for training courses if they want them, I pay for gym memberships, and I give them performance bonuses that are not stipulated in their contracts, just 'cuz. What, other than complaining on an internet forum, are you actually DOING to improve the inequalities you gripe about?
One more thing. Who's rich, and who isn't? I'm pretty sure that the regions where big companies outsource are poorer per capita than the American cities which they leave behind. If you are such a champion of fairness, doesn't that mean that ALL companies are obliged to relocate to the place where their wages will achieve the maximum possible good? Shouldn't little M'buku's family in Africa complain that you are trying to prevent business from sharing North American or European wealth by insisting those companies stay at home?
I'd also like to suggest that the wealthy should have other ways to win the game: public adoration for those who donate money to good causes, for example. I'd even be in favor of bought ranks. How much would a guy like Trump be paid to be called: Grand Vizier of the Lands of Las Vegas and Dominant Duke of New York City, and to make everyone call him that all the time? Make every who meets him bound by law to bow and say nice things about his hair or something, and start paying off that national debt.
