My views on objective morality

[Losty]

Ooooh the snark. I'm so hurt. Sniffle. No, I get the point you are trying to make. I just think it's a stupid point. I never claimed to be the almighty authority on good and evil. If something is all good and all powerful and the definition of objective morality, they need to be held to a higher standard. Not a lower one.

The way we hold adult humans to the same standards of behavior as children and animals? An adult human is merely more powerful and more knowledgeable, but they can still act in ways that are ultimately for the benefit of a child or animal that the child or animal reasonably perceives as malicious. With a God, there may be considerations that we are incapable of imagining or comprehending. I can't give an example of that (by definition), but I can propose that some version of God sees the vicissitudes of this life as transitory and brief compared to an eternal afterlife. Like getting a shot, all things considered.

Very few theologians include the ability to flatten out contradictions in their definition of omnipotence.

I don't think the God of theodicy is a coherent concept. You pretty much have to choose at least one leg of the theodic tripod to shorten. Drich is happy to saw off the omnibenevolence leg to keep omnipotence and omniscience. CL holds on to that one and insists that there must be some kind of limit to what God can do to reconcile the existence of evil. CL doesn't believe in the God unlimited by anything that you insist on.  She doesn't bear the burden to defend a version of God that isn't the one she believes in.

I wasn't talking to CL though D:

I'm sorry I honestly didn't realize you were arguing from her standpoint.

This thread, man. I totally get what you're saying, and for me I choose to saw off the god altogether. In my mind it makes more sense to accept that there is no God than to have to make all these adjustments for him. I get this argument a lot from a friend of mine. That we are like children recieving a spanking from God. It seems bad to us but it's really for the best and we just aren't mature enough to see it yet.

It seems impossible to argue against that.

My mind tells me that what I've been through, there's no greater good or benefit that would ever make me allow something like that in anyone's life. Not my worst enemy. There's nothing that I ever could have done that would warrant such a punishment. Your argument with the shot just makes it worse because it's not a punishment but just what happens to be best for me.

All I can say to that is that if by some chance there is a God and it thinks these things are what's best for me, I want nothing to do with it.