Geoengineering ...

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If you cannot see the moral justification with living in harmony with the Planet and other Species, then you are morally inept.

According to some moral framework or your intuitions?

There is no such thing as true harmony in nature, there is just as much conflict, between forces and organisms.

A basic morall framework that is simple to see & even easier to understand.

The harmony is also easy to see. It may not be so nice sometimes, but it is there.

The eco-system is not fragmented, it is one system that works in conjunction with all its parts to form a whole. One part cannot survive without the other parts.

Not true, parts of the ecosystem wipe each other out all the time. 99.9% of all biological systems in the ecosystem have gone extinct, nature kills us all the time, we kill parts of nature, it's still all here and it's still all functioning. Parts are contingent upon some parts not all parts and we can survive just fine without a great deal of it.

Over time, this maybe true, but for the present it is not. The Planet as a whole will live longer than any one species, but the species that live here at the present, rely upon one another, and a stable environment to survive.

Can anything survive without a heathy Ocean?

Too think humans can survive alone shows immense arrogance and a seperation from the environment, in which you live. An environment which is now approaching the brink.

Agreed we can't survive alone, we are contingent beings. That doesn't mean we can't survive without a great deal of it.

This is extremly arrogant and immoral.

Here lies the problem. Seperation from our environment is not only arrogant, unsightful and immature, it has led us to the present point in time.

It should be "here lies my straw man" because nobody is saying we are separate from the environment. Our ability to manipulate the environment is what got us to where we are today, it is likely the only reason why we haven't already gone extinct, it may also be our downfall.

I am saying you are seperated from the environment because of the contemp you hold for it.

And where are we exactly? A good or bad place in time?

A pont in time where we are starting to think about 'geo enigineering' as a solution.

As a last resort more specifically. If we cannot manage to curb our habits we may be forced to take action to prevent ourselves and the mast majority of other species from dying.

hmm, interesting. Maybe, maybe not.

As you maybe aware, humans will never fully control the environment. See sense and live within the ecological boundries set out by a system that is much more powerful than any one species.

We are living within the boundaries, we are completely contingent upon them. Anything we can change is necessarily not a boundary.

We are far outside the carrying capacity of the Planet. Therefore, well outside the natural boundries that are set for us.

To think other wise will be at our own peril.

And to not have done so in the first place would have lead to our destruction a long time ago. We will continue to manipulate the environment, we just have to be wise about it now that we know the risks.

You say long ago, humans have lived in harmony with the Planet for the vast majority of history. Only recently with the onset of the industrial age and modern medicine have we begun to push the limits.

We have reached a point in history, a point where we will change and adapt to a clean future, or we will suffer by our own hand.