The backbreaker

[athrock]

God did not murder David's son. This has been explained at length in this thread.

Hasn't been discussed with me.  But how's this:

If you kill someone it is murder unless:

1. Self defense
2. Obeying orders
3. Accident

None of this applies. God murdered the infant. Also he tortured it first.

However, perfect justice may demand that someone die. Jesus died for this reason, for example.

Perfect justice demands that someone dies? Does not matter who?  Dafuq?

David's sin sin (like all sin) required both eternal and temporal punishment. God forgave David's eternal punishment, but the temporal (in time) punishment was the death of the child. However, my contention is that while David (and Bathsheba) suffered as a result of the child's death, the child may have actually been spared a life of suffering.

A life of suffering?  He would've  been royalty.

Get your shit together man this is just pathetic.

Yes, they did, and I have said so. However, the fact that they made a mistake in judgement does not automatically make them complicit in the crimes themselves. They simply handled the situation badly. Folks who want to continue crucifying the Bishops and the Catholic Church as a whole are guilty of unforgiveness.

A mistake?  A mistake?

This issue was systemic.  It was their standard policy to protect the image of the Church by protecting rapists.  The victims were just an inconvenience.

If these were mistakes, then they committed the same mistake thousands of times.  Are you saying they're all just retarded?

Indeed. Thank you for noticing. Most folks in this forum deny that God even exists...much less interacts with us in such a tangible manner. As you point out, God works with the clay to make the best pots possible. They are far from perfect, however.

This is the best God could muster?  A group of men who are 4% rapist, 96% rapist sympathizer?

Prisoners do a better job of punishing their own when someone comes in convicted of raping an adolescent.

I'm not even joking when I say the mafia wouldn't tolerate this shit.  Meanwhile the church has SOP for handling it.  LOL.

Um...no...you simply clarified that you don't understand why God would choose the Cross v. any other approach He might have chosen.

I don't understand why Jesus would allow himself to be crucified if there was another way... especially considering that he prayed, "Dear God if there's another way,take my cup of suffering. But your will be done."

Because Jesus was God.

As for the rest of your post, addressing all of your concerns would not be a good use of my time because I don't think you are actually interested in hearing anything that refutes what you want to believe.

You may have the last word.