RE: Gods immorality.
April 7, 2016 at 12:49 am
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2016 at 1:08 am by robvalue.)
Well, thanks for the sort-of compliment. What experiences am I missing out on? I would actually love to have a relationship with "God", whatever that is. I'm really not in a position to start that relationship. And if he chooses not to either, it's kind of a Mexican stand off. If instead I have to have other people tell me what he's saying to me, it seems like he's just awful at communicating and/or didn't give me the equipment I need to understand. If I have to do all this stuff that other people tell me, and then keep doing it until I get fuzzy feelings, then I'll have no idea if I'm just eventually imaging things or not. And apparently if I don't get the correct messages, you'll just tell me I'm imagining it anyway.
I can't decide to believe in something. It's not a conscious choice. If I have to believe first, before being given the evidence (or him just actually showing up) then he doesn't understand how human minds work. Sceptical ones, at least. For example, can you decide to believe you can fly?
You use scepticism all the time. Everyone does, who isn't completely gullible. You just refuse to turn it inward and apply it to your religion. Not just you, every religious person.
I don't deny God. I don't even know what it is I would be denying. Everyone has a different version of it in their head. Do I deny each and every individual, distinct entity? In fact, no I don't. I think they are all very real. Just not in the same way that the theist does.
As for "some intelligent creator", I actually do not deny this. I have no opinion on whether there is or isn't one. I simply refuse to make a judgement when I have insufficient evidence. But your average God claim is about as far away from this generic designer as you can get. It's been weighed down with so many specifics that the likelihood of it existing, while there is no evidence to back any of it up, sinks to the bottom of the sceptic tank.
I think it's really sad that you think scepticism is a bad thing. Here are my videos where I explain why I think it's a good thing. And you seem to admit that had you not programmed them, they never would have believed you. What does that tell you? Does the truth need jamming into a young mind? And you didn't just make them believe God exists. Your God. Or did you present every religion equally and let them decide?
http://youtu.be/cX7mdUh9yUE
http://youtu.be/lOrP9nb-yrk
I can't decide to believe in something. It's not a conscious choice. If I have to believe first, before being given the evidence (or him just actually showing up) then he doesn't understand how human minds work. Sceptical ones, at least. For example, can you decide to believe you can fly?
You use scepticism all the time. Everyone does, who isn't completely gullible. You just refuse to turn it inward and apply it to your religion. Not just you, every religious person.
I don't deny God. I don't even know what it is I would be denying. Everyone has a different version of it in their head. Do I deny each and every individual, distinct entity? In fact, no I don't. I think they are all very real. Just not in the same way that the theist does.
As for "some intelligent creator", I actually do not deny this. I have no opinion on whether there is or isn't one. I simply refuse to make a judgement when I have insufficient evidence. But your average God claim is about as far away from this generic designer as you can get. It's been weighed down with so many specifics that the likelihood of it existing, while there is no evidence to back any of it up, sinks to the bottom of the sceptic tank.
I think it's really sad that you think scepticism is a bad thing. Here are my videos where I explain why I think it's a good thing. And you seem to admit that had you not programmed them, they never would have believed you. What does that tell you? Does the truth need jamming into a young mind? And you didn't just make them believe God exists. Your God. Or did you present every religion equally and let them decide?
http://youtu.be/cX7mdUh9yUE
http://youtu.be/lOrP9nb-yrk
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