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Does 0 = Infinity?
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RE: Does 0 = Infinity?
(February 22, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Living in Death Wrote: Hi, all. 

This is something which I'd considered a while ago. My logic is a little shaky but my proposition doesn't appear to be too full of holes. 

I guess the principle belief that 0 = infinity would assume that values exist as absolutes. If we were to say that nothing exists, there would be an endless stream of nothing. This was practically the core belief (and, more to the point, revelation) when I was considering this principle for the first time. 

I really don't think my assumption functions in mathematical environments that do not assume absolutes, rather they function as relativistic. In other words, if you have none of something, that doesn't suddenly form a singularity in the space where that something would inhabit. 


My point is that, if we were to create a closed environment involving only a single inhabiting factor, if said factor did not exist (and assuming that this system was an undefined size, eg. the universe), would that not create a space infinitely large? If borders had a value of zero, would they not cease to exist and thus render a potentially infinite empty space? 


I think the reason that this is a difficult problem for me (and maybe for most people, too) is that 0 and infinity are both practically irrational. I believe that the principle of 0 was originally suggested by an Arabic mathematician, but I personally think that it does not infer mathematical properties, rather more philosophical. If we were to hypothetically state that 0 does unarguably equal infinity, it would point towards my two beliefs that, 1. it is not strictly mathematical, 2. it is irrational and thus would not strictly have any place in rational mathematical works (though perhaps hypothetical mathematics). 

Alas, 0 exists as a placeholder for the lack of any element (and of course as a suffix for factors of ten). I see why it is still relevant even today. I suppose my attempts to rationalise it by, ironically, quantifying it with an irrational value is simply my way of showing that it is more complex of a value than we may originally think back in primary, secondary, or even college. 


That's my rant over, at any rate. I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions on the matter. Oh, and perhaps an item of argument; is 0 odd or even?
First of all,zero as a concept was first used in India.What do you mean by borders have a value of zero?You need to understand zero did not come into existence to quantify things that do not exist or exist everywhere  .It is used to denote the absence of a given quantifiable entity in certain set of conditions which otherwise exists or may exist in different circumstances.What I can figure out from your post is that you mean zero as a quantity of "infinite nothingness",i.e., it is the absence of everything(everything being infinite non-null set), which is pretty interesting, but I guess that is not what zero was conceptualized for to begin with.Nothingness(absence of everything) does not exist.It is an inconceivable abstract concept that does not have physical significance while zero has physical significance.There is zero doubt in my mind regarding it. Rolleyes

(April 8, 2016 at 4:37 pm)Boltzmann Brain Wrote: [quote='Living in Death' pid='1210739' dateline='1456190041']
Hi, all. 

This is something which I'd considered a while ago. My logic is a little shaky but my proposition doesn't appear to be too full of holes. 

I guess the principle belief that 0 = infinity would assume that values exist as absolutes. If we were to say that nothing exists, there would be an endless stream of nothing. This was practically the core belief (and, more to the point, revelation) when I was considering this principle for the first time. 

I really don't think my assumption functions in mathematical environments that do not assume absolutes, rather they function as relativistic. In other words, if you have none of something, that doesn't suddenly form a singularity in the space where that something would inhabit. 


My point is that, if we were to create a closed environment involving only a single inhabiting factor, if said factor did not exist (and assuming that this system was an undefined size, eg. the universe), would that not create a space infinitely large? If borders had a value of zero, would they not cease to exist and thus render a potentially infinite empty space? 


I think the reason that this is a difficult problem for me (and maybe for most people, too) is that 0 and infinity are both practically irrational. I believe that the principle of 0 was originally suggested by an Arabic mathematician, but I personally think that it does not infer mathematical properties, rather more philosophical. If we were to hypothetically state that 0 does unarguably equal infinity, it would point towards my two beliefs that, 1. it is not strictly mathematical, 2. it is irrational and thus would not strictly have any place in rational mathematical works (though perhaps hypothetical mathematics). 

Alas, 0 exists as a placeholder for the lack of any element (and of course as a suffix for factors of ten). I see why it is still relevant even today. I suppose my attempts to rationalise it by, ironically, quantifying it with an irrational value is simply my way of showing that it is more complex of a value than we may originally think back in primary, secondary, or even college. 


That's my rant over, at any rate. I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions on the matter. Oh, and perhaps an item of argument; is 0 odd or even?
First of all,zero as a concept was first used in India.What do you mean by borders have a value of zero?You need to understand zero did not come into existence to quantify things that do not exist or exist everywhere  .It is used to denote the absence of a given quantifiable entity in certain set of conditions which otherwise exists or may exist in different circumstances.What I can figure out from your post is that you mean zero as a quantity of "infinite nothingness",i.e., it is the absence of everything(everything being infinite non-null set), which is pretty interesting, but I guess that is not what zero was conceptualized for to begin with.Nothingness(absence of everything) does not exist.It is an inconceivable abstract concept that does not have physical significance while zero has physical significance.There is zero doubt in my mind regarding it. Rolleyes
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Messages In This Thread
Does 0 = Infinity? - by Living in Death - February 22, 2016 at 9:14 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Tiberius - February 22, 2016 at 9:34 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by SteelCurtain - February 22, 2016 at 9:39 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by scoobysnack - February 22, 2016 at 9:55 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by RoadRunner79 - July 12, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Living in Death - February 22, 2016 at 10:26 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by scoobysnack - February 22, 2016 at 10:34 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Living in Death - February 22, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 10:57 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by TheRealJoeFish - February 22, 2016 at 11:43 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by SteelCurtain - February 23, 2016 at 1:10 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Alex K - February 23, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Alex K - February 23, 2016 at 4:14 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Living in Death - February 23, 2016 at 8:17 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by bennyboy - February 23, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by trilok - March 14, 2016 at 1:43 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Boltzmann Brain - April 8, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Complidudaaldo - July 11, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by bennyboy - July 12, 2016 at 12:54 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by account_inactive - July 12, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by flagbears - January 31, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Does 0 = Infinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 31, 2017 at 6:54 pm

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