The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Rekeisha]

Your god doesn't serve you and won't save you.

Actually He has, is and does. Every Day I don't draw a breath without Him. I can't keep myself together, physically, without His direct help. You can't either. You curse Him with your words but God still takes cares of you.

Statistics. Nonreligious people are the fastest growing group of the population in most modernized countries, and some countries are even predominantly atheist now and have been for a while. You can thank the internet for the spike in atheism, by the way. Having all the arguments and information in the world makes it a little easier for some people to be exposed to new things and parse out which ones are bullshit.

I said "directly proportional", which means that both overall violence and religiosity have both been decreasing. That's not to say that one caused the other, but if a lack of religion actually caused violence, crime, or immorality, then we would expect to see an increase in these things as religion declines.


We don't, though. We see the opposite, which suggests that either religion is unrelated to morality and they just happen to have a directly proportional relationship, or the rise of secularism has actually had a measurable, positive impact on the globe.



I would take time to dig out the actual stats and link to them, but I honestly don't believe you'll even click on them, and even if you did you'd just gloss over it with your religion-glasses and spit out something from the Bible.

Post them and I then hold me accountable if I do or don't.

Hitler was a Christian, and the Nazi party was an overtly Christian group. There was virtually nothing secular about the German government during the years the Nazis were in charge

Fact check that friend. Many of His political leaders have attested to the fact that he wanted to abolish the church. You should read the biography of Bonhoeffer.  If he were a christian then there wouldn't have been a section of the christian leaders lead by Bonhoeffer to denounce his "church". He just used christianity to get in because that is what the culture identified as by tradition. He is a christian like Donald Trump is a christian. Here are some things I have found http://www.amazon.com/The-Nazi-master-pl...B00CH5XL5M if you can find it look at the New York Times "National Reich Church" where Hitler hollows out the chruch and places himself in it as god. 

Morality (even yours) was invented by humans. I am every bit as capable of making moral judgments as anyone else is, and I seem to be more capable of moral judgement than you, since I don't have to depend on an allegedly "divine" command to tell me what right and wrong is. Unlike you, I get to think for myself.

Then there is no right and wrong if it is invented by humans. You don't get to judge whether one is more right or wrong because they have their own systems. You say that the ones that are more right because they are based in some kind of physical truth is just you system of judgement. If someone else does not want their moral system to be done that way then who are you to judge? Everyone will change with the wind and when murder is in it is ok and don't judge it no matter how much suffering it causeses. When it is out don't say it is better because it is all made up anyway and people are just organisms anyway they don't matter they don't have worth. 

Now, you say you think for yourself so why do you believe that Homosexuality is right? What are you basing that moral judgement off of? Did you sit home one day and it just popped in your head that you thought "today I think Homosexuality is ok!" Would you have had the same mindset 50 years ago? You say you think for yourself, but then you say that moral are a social construct. Which is it? There are somethings I thought were just fine but I was wrong and it blew up in my face then I went to the bible and found out that God says that those things are wrong. I can't call it I am not that wise and all knowing. I don't know what is going to adversely affect me or others and I don't want to do a trial and error thing. Sox Yes I am going to ask the one who knows everything. It doesn't say in the bible where I should live or what to drive or watch on tv. I have to actually listen to God and He has instructed me.

The claim, which can't be used as evidence of itself...

 Why do you say this?

Before you claim that your god deemed or didn't deem this or that, you have to be able to demonstrate that he exists. Ancient books, your personal delusions, the personal delusions of other religious people, and nature itself are not demonstrations of any gods.

It is self evident like the sun is self evident and the only reason people don't see the sun is either they are blind or they look away.

Highly evolved organisms who are accountable to each other (and themselves) and who invented the concepts of right and wrong. Humans have collectively decided that suffering is bad and that deliberately causing needless suffering is wrong, and that's what makes it wrong. Humans define what is right and wrong.

Did humans do that collectively? When? How? Why are we still being evil? Why are nations still collectively causing needless suffering and wrong? If what you say is true humanity didn't really agree we just made empty declarations and went about doing whatever we wanted.

Here is a link to different versions of the Golden rule. I know what the Golden Rule says in the Bible and the reason I asked you where you heard it from first is because you are still holding on to the one in the bible not the ones that most culture say. Most cultures and religions but this statement in the negative from "don't" whereas in Christianity and Judaism say to do this and to love your neighbor as yourself even one Egyptian one says do. These statements are different than just don't do a thing. So my question is since you have rejected the bible which one where you citing. 

No, he did not. Your holy book says he was dead for 3 days, after which he ascended into heaven to be king of the Universe at God's right hand. That is not an infinite sacrifice. That's hardly an inconvenience.

Read Hebrews it will explain what I meant. When you worked at your christianity did you understand how Jesus was a sacrifice and what He gave up? Did you ever understand what it cost Him or even question why people said that He sacrificed?