(April 13, 2016 at 12:03 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 13, 2016 at 11:11 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's not hypocrisy. Many laws and policies are based on feelings, such as the stalking law I mentioned earlier (it must demonstrably cause "fear or alarm", in most statutes' wording), as well as laws about threats made.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Restraint orders do not get issued on whims; but rather, on perceived threats based on previous experiences, experiences that usually require some kind of independent support or documentation.
(April 13, 2016 at 11:11 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Besides it's not just about how they feel. It's who they are at the deepest possible level.Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you seriously going to argue that someone can have an essential nature, a soul as it were, that determines who the are independent of their physiology? In other words, are you making an existential distinction between mind and body?
Actually, I'm not.
Using functional MRI studied Burke brains of people with and without a so-called gender dystrophy. Burke: "It appears that the brains of these young people have characteristics that are closer to their perceived gender than their birth gender."
Burke did include smell the young people in the fragrance Androstadienone, found in male sweat. It is known that women only respond to this fragrance in a specific area of the brain. Burke: "This research shows that the brains of adolescents with gender dysphoria behave as their desired sex So. The brains of boys with gender dysphoria reacted indeed the fragrance and of the gender dysphoric girls is not in people without this condition. it the other way. "
(You'll have to use the "translate" button for the link: http://www.nu.nl/wetenschap/3802699/brein-jongere-in-verkeerd-lichaam-lijkt-van-andere-geslacht.html )
There have been similar studies done in gay men and lesbians which shows that they react to male and female pheromones, respectively, like the opposite gender does. It is clearly more than just "feelings", but even if it was just how the person identified, the fact that the feeling is SO STRONG as to cause something like GID, with associated suicide and depression rates, would be enough for most of us to offer them what they're asking for out of sheer human compassion, rather than making up straw-man arguments about why it's okay for us to treat them badly.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.