(April 20, 2016 at 10:15 am)MysticKnight Wrote: God chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above the worlds. (3:33)
That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any wage for it except love in the near relatives (of mine); and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Thankful. (42:23)
Say: whatever I have asked of you of a wage, it is for yourselves, verily my wage is with God and he is a witness upon all things.(34:47)
Say: No wage have I asked of you for it, except for who wants to take towards his Lord a path.(25:57)
These are they who God has guided therefore follow their guidance. Say: I do not ask you a wage for it that it be but a reminder/remembrance to the worlds.(6:90)
And you do not ask them a wage for it that is but a remembrance/reminder to the worlds/nations/peoples. (12:104)
Or do you ask them a wage? Then surely the wage of your Lord is better, and he is the best of those who provide sustenance. And surely you call them to a straight path. (23:72-73)
Say: I do not ask you for it any wage - and I am not of those who affect -
That it be but a reminder/remembrance to the worlds.
And ye shall certainly the truth of it after a time.
(38:86-88)
Or do you ask them a wage so that they are over overburdened by a debt?(52:40, 68:46)
مَا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَىٰ فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي الْقُرْبَىٰ وَالْيَتَامَىٰ وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ كَيْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةً بَيْنَ الْأَغْنِيَاءِ مِنْكُمْ ۚ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ
Sahih International: And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
Pickthall: That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal.
Yusuf Ali: What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; In order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment.
Shakir: Whatever Allah has restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns, it is for Allah and for the Messenger, and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, so that it may not be a thing taken by turns among the rich of you, and whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil):
Muhammad Sarwar: Whatever God grants to His Messenger (out of the property) of the people of the towns, belongs to God, the Messenger, the kinsfolk, the orphans, the destitute and to those who may become needy while on a journey, so that it will not circulate only in the hands of rich ones among them. Take only what the Messenger gives to you and desist from what he forbids you. Have fear of God; God is severe in His retribution.
Mohsin Khan: What Allah gave as booty (Fai') to His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from the people of the townships, - it is for Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), the kindred (of Messenger Muhammad SAW), the orphans, AlMasakin (the poor), and the wayfarer, in order that it may not become a fortune used by the rich among you. And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.
Arberry: Whatsoever spoils of war God has given to His Messenger from the people of the cities belongs to God, and His Messenger, and the near kinsman, orphans, the needy and the traveller, so that it be not a thing taken in turns among the rich of you. Whatever the Messenger gives you, take; whatever he forbids you, give over. And fear God; surely God is terrible in retribution.
NO, the Adam and Eve story is a myth, and not even the oldest creation myth in human history. Hindus also have their first persons myths too.
Evolution, not the OT, not the Bible and not the Quran, but evolution scientifically explains where our species comes from. The humans who invented all three religions had no modern concept of evolution, those stories were gap filling horrible guesses.
Now, we can get into how immoral that story is regardless. You have two humans thrust into a position with no say or knowledge or consent in the matter, and for what, a rigged bet between this god and his arch rival, which puts the Adam and Eve characters as poker chips. Then on top of treating them like toys, poker chips, he blames them for the game he didn't have to set up.
There is no consent in that story at all, it is still authoritarian, and simply dictation and preying on innocent people who had no say in the matter. Now again, the story is not real, but as an idea, as a concept, it is a very vile story.
Try this thought exercise as an example and tell me if you would think this is moral.
Ok, lets say I am your dad, and you find a girlfriend at your grade school, and I make a bet with the bully on the playground that I can get you and your girlfriend to break the school's rules that get you thrown out of the school, despite you and your girlfriend's lacking the same understanding you have yourself, on top of knowing yourself it is also a bet you didn't have to make? Keep in mind your god is the adult and you are just a kid by comparison.
Now, you might respond "Daddy knows best" but that is not an answer. It still remains that this motif has basically a GIANT(god as an idea) manipulating a midget(kid) who has no clue what is going on and gets punished for a bet they had no clue of or say in.
Would you find me moral if I were your dad and made a bet with your life over your life like that?
Or, I lets say I bet my neighbor I could get you to cross a busy highway and get run over, would it be ok if you were my kid to blame you if you were too young to understand the dangers of a highway, but I knew and still made that bet even though I didn't have to?
Look man, this isn't about your right to believe one bit. But on two fronts why this logic fails. Most importantly science in evolutionary biology, isn't claiming two individuals as being firsts, but common ancestors as plural firsts, just like a hurricane doesn't drop rain one by one, but has many raindrops fall at the same time.
The second front is the morality of this story, and that fails as well. It is nothing but authoritarianism and arbitrary dictating and using human beings as props, toys, lab rats to make you look good(god as an idea).
