(April 25, 2016 at 4:05 am)robvalue Wrote: Hi there C&S, welcome to the forum
I'm very sorry for what you're going through. You've done extremely well to get to the questioning stage at such a young age. So many people don't manage it in their whole lives. They die still believing in utter nonsense.
It's all nonsense garbage, the lot of it. There is no good answer to your question. You're right, an all knowing God would know exactly what we're all going to do and who is going to hell for it. It is not consistent with free will. Many religious people convince themselves that both are true at once, because they have to have both sides of the contradiction. Sometimes God is all knowing, sometimes we have free will. It's bullshit.
The God storybook characters are a total joke, and the only way anyone believes it in this day and age is through indoctrination, or immersion in the mythology. If you'd never heard of Allah or Muhammad or whatever, you'd have never found out about them on your own. Because they're not real. They exist only in people's minds.
A God who even has a "hell" in the first place is evil. Not much more to say. Now add in that he makes people knowing damn well he's going to put them there, and he's about the most evil creature imaginable. If such a thing is real, it deserves no respect or worship. It deserves contempt and defiance.
Luckily, it's not real. Why do religious zealots always have to act themselves? Why do they have to silence people, to stop their God being offended by insults? Why do they have to do his dirty work for him? Kill for him? Ostracise people for him? Because if they didn't, he wouldn't do fuck all. On some level, they must know this, or else they wouldn't feel the need to constantly meddle in the affairs of others and they'd trust he would sort it out himself.
So welcome, tentatively, to realityYou're almost there. Feel free to ask any more questions. I have some links on my website here to many excellent atheist materials, some of which make the point by satire, some in serious ways. Hopefully they will help you think it all through.
Thank you four the link.
To be honest after finding that fundamentals flaw it feels like I been looking at my religion from a whole other perspective.
Especially that part of God knowing everything.
So many parts of it when he got angry at prophets like another person said in the forum.
Is there any more fundamental honestly all I really want right now is to fully let go with 100 % certainty.
If it is 80-90% I feel like I am gambling my way to hell.
I hope you guys understand my Ramblin it's hard to put what I am saying in such a eloquent way
