(May 6, 2016 at 8:35 pm)Shadow_Man Wrote:IATIA Wrote:Whether you pick the one on the left or the one on the right will change the air currents, photon paths, gravitational field, etc. and that change will continue on for the life of the universe.From the perspective of the universe, eventually every part of the universe will be touched by your choice.
I believe that your statement is incorrect, but more importantly I do not see the relevance.
Which is your whole problem.
(May 6, 2016 at 8:35 pm)Shadow_Man Wrote: Please explain what touching the universe has to do with free will.
Butterfly effect. Why would you pick the left or the right glass over the other? Because a neuron fired. It could have been the neuron that gave you the desire to choose the left or a different neuron that gave you the desire to choose the right. Why did any neuron fire? Subatomic reactions. These subatomic reactions are effected by other forces. Someone on the other side of the world made a choice that effected gravity, photons, air, etc.. These effects proliferated throughout the universe and different things will happen under different conditions. If you roll some dice and pick them up, you cannot replicate the same conditions. Gravity, air, photons, temperature, humidity, grip, position, stance, blood pressure, breathing, etc. have all been changed and have induced change.
One last time on the future thing. If god can see the future, then the future must exist. This means everything already exists and we never made any choices, ergo, no free will. Either god can see into the future because it already exists (and I guess created by it) or god cannot see into the future. An alternative is Laplace's Demon which does not allow for free will either.
What makes this so tough is that there is no god and the incongruities in trying to allow for one present an abundance of significant contradictions. Just make your life simple and step into the light.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
