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The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
(April 28, 2016 at 2:11 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: The number of women isn't the only detail that's problematic with that part of the story. Scholars have tried to sit down and build a cohesive narrative that accounts for all the post-resurrection details that the gospels present, and it simply cannot be done. The details of the stories are mutually exclusive, which should tell you all you need to know about the fallibility of the humans who wrote them

First the ladies set out for the tomb early at daybreak (matt 28:1, John 20:1, Luke 24:1, Mark 16:1). They could already have been outside of Jerusalem. Around this time at the tomb the guards have fainted at the appearance of the Angels who roll away the stone.(Matt 28:34)  They also recover and run back to tell what happened (Mt 28:1112)  When the women arrive they find the tomb open, Mary M (John 20:12), runs to find Peter and John who were probably in Jerusalem since they followed Jesus to his trial and John to his crucifixion. The other ladies go into the tomb and find the angels in there and receive the news of Jesus resurrection (Mt 28:1, Luke 24:1, Mt 16:16, Mt 28:5) . When Mary M reaches P/J they all run back to the tomb while the other ladies are possible taking another route back to find the tomb (John 20:2). P/J arrive at the tomb and enter to find it empty (john 20:3-7) and then Mary arrives and as they go back she encounters the resurrected Jesus (John 11-17, Mark 16:9). Then after Jesus appears to Mary, He appears to the other women on there way to meet other disciples. Later Jesus appeared to the disciple on the road to Emmaus (Luke 13-35). Then Later Jesus appeared to all of them in the room. (Luke 24:38-40)  for an more in depth explanation you can look at this link

Quote:Any religion or system of thinking that promotes God is false. There is no such thing as correct theology, not even in the book of Galatians.
 
According to Numbers, Leviticus, and Ephesians (at least), your god is totally cool with slavery. At no point does he speak against it in the Bible even a little bit. The god of morality allowed and regulated an immoral practice just as an object lesson? What a dick. Funny how a thing like religious beliefs can cause a person to lose sight of what's evil.

Here are some bible excepts that are God speaking out against slavery (physical and spiritual)  that is oppressive
 
Thus says the Lord,
“For three transgressions of Israel and for four
I will not revoke its punishment,
Because they sell the righteous for money
And the needy for a pair of sandals. (Joel 2:6)

 
 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs [a]according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:3-7)
 
“Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke?
“Is it not to divide your bread [c]with the hungry
And bring the homeless poor into the house;
When you see the naked, to cover him;
And not to hide yourself from your own flesh? (isa 58:67)

 
If He had no problem with it then he would have left the Israelites in their slavery (Exodus) if He was ok with it He wouldn't have died for the sins of mankind so that they would not be enslaved to their sin. Also it isn't religion that makes people lose sight of evil. That would mean that religion was the only thing to blame for evil, not the people, and that isn't true. It is the nature of man and his rejection of God that makes him blind of what is evil. You don't have an objection porn, because people are willing to objectify themselves to it (right?). While I have an objection to porn, because it objectives people (which is evil).  Our country doesn't see the murder of an unborn child as wrong because they want to redefine what is life to suit their own desires. Things only get "gray" when people seek their own desires and reject what God says is right. (changing and redefining the meaning of words to suit their own needs and purposes) 

Quote:Leviticus 25:44-46New International Version (NIV)

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

 
NUM 15:15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD:
Lev 19:34The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
Lev 19:33“ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them.
Lev 24:22 You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.' ”
 
When these people come into their country as salves then they should be treated as a natural born.
 

Quote:And the problem with that, again, is that science not having the answer does not make your god the answer; that's an argument from ignorance. You're basically saying "I don't understand DNA or how it can do what it does, therefore my god must be responsible." It doesn't matter how long that debate went on or what was said, really. The theist is arguing from ignorance, so he loses. To prove that DNA came from his god, he would have to have a way to demonstrate that; he doesn't simply win the argument because the scientist can't answer his question about "where the information came from."


What I am saying is that DNA is information and information comes from a mind and that mind could only be God. Modern science seems to have a problem with saying what is actually alive or dead. Since our society started throwing out the Knowledge of God everything has become blurred and confusing.  There is no defined Truth, no lasting way of thinking. What is male what is female, what is alive what isn't, what is an animal what isn't, what is right what isn't. You don't have any answers just a lot of data that you can't make since of because with the rejection of God you have rejected knowledge and wisdom.
 

Quote:If god can "just is," so can other things. If he's the only thing that can "just is," then that's special pleading. We have been over this...so many times...


When I say that God is and that he created everything He did it outside of space and time. Since He is eternal and a spirit He isn't subject to space or time. A thing needs to have space so if it just is then there was space before there was a thing and so now you must explain where that space came from. Also a thing does not have a will where as God is a being and He has a will and decided to start time, space and life.
 
"The trustworthiness of God’s behavior in His world is the foundation of all scientific truth." A.W. Tover "Knowledge of the Holy"
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work - by Rekeisha - May 9, 2016 at 8:27 pm

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