RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 11, 2016 at 6:36 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2016 at 6:39 am by ApeNotKillApe.)
(May 11, 2016 at 6:19 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 10, 2016 at 10:40 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Or maybe it was the lizard people. Or a sentient macadamia nut. Or maybe the concept of indoor plumbing created the universe.
I don't think I will ever understand this comeback. The KCA is properly formed, logically sound, not question begging, not equivocating, and not contradictory. The premises of the KCA, if true, infer the cause of the universe (or its predecessor) to be uncaused, timeless, immaterial, personal, and at least powerful enough to bring a universe into being from nothing. This is all it does. It does not get us to the the God of the Christianity and says nothing about other attributes that God might have.
So, how do we get from that to your comeback?
You already have all your work still ahead of you before you try to make the leap toward the Christian god.
What does it mean for a conscious mind to exist timelessly? What does it mean to be immaterial? What does it mean to have power without the existence of time, space and energy? What is this "power"? What is creation if not a temporal activity? How does one create time without time with which to create time? What did this being exist within prior to existence? Assuming this entity does exist, what suggests that it's "personal"? What does personal even mean in this context? What implies that it must be a singular god that made the universe? How does a non-physical being act upon a physical world without taking on physical properties?
Those are questions off the top of my head, and there are many more I could present.
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