IATIA,
I hope you don't mind if I reply to two of your posts in just this one post.
I mean exactly what you say here -
Most of that is off topic, and I have no interest in derailing this thread to discuss it here. One topic is more than enough to deal with in one thread.
However, I did like this part -
To robots like yourself, neither freedom nor servitude have any meaning at all.
I know it is frustrating, but it is not that I am missing the point. I totally understand your point. I just consider that your point is contradicted by other logical truths, and your point is therefore invalid.
I realize that by definition there is no one infinity that is bigger than another infinity. But that analogy does not apply here, and is a discussion for another thread.
We are at the point in every thread where we have made our arguments and are just repeating ourselves. I am content to let my arguments stand, and to give you that last word on the subject. I will only reply again if you bring something new to the table.
Thank you for the discussion.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
I hope you don't mind if I reply to two of your posts in just this one post.
IATIA Wrote:What do you mean "if Christianity was true"?
I mean exactly what you say here -
IATIA Wrote:Would I choose Hell over heaven? I do not believe in either, but for sake of argument, I would absolutely choose Hell over heaven.Both you and many of your fellows have said that even if they believed that the Christian God existed, they would still reject Him. It is your if, not mine.
IATIA Wrote:It is once the tyrannical, warmongering god comes into the picture that one chooses hell. Heaven offers nothing but servitude. The opposition of god offers true freedom. It was god's opposition that helped free Adam and Eve. No killings can be directly attributed to god's opposition. One can bring up Job's story, but firstly, there is nothing that says god's opposition did the actual killing, only that it participated in a bet which resulted in killing. It may be the opposition did not really expect god to kill just to make a point or god's opposition may never have participated in the bet in the first place.
Am I against christianity? Not in and of itself, but I am strongly against religion, any religion.
Would I choose Hell over heaven? I do not believe in either, but for sake of argument, I would absolutely choose Hell over heaven.
And remember, if heaven is supposed to be the shit, then why did one third of the angels rebel?
Most of that is off topic, and I have no interest in derailing this thread to discuss it here. One topic is more than enough to deal with in one thread.
However, I did like this part -
IATIA Wrote:Heaven offers nothing but servitude. The opposition of god offers true freedom.
To robots like yourself, neither freedom nor servitude have any meaning at all.
Shadow_Man Wrote:And that is your problem.
IATIA Wrote:Wrong! You are still missing the point.
I know it is frustrating, but it is not that I am missing the point. I totally understand your point. I just consider that your point is contradicted by other logical truths, and your point is therefore invalid.
IATIA Wrote:You cannot have free will and a future any more than god making a rock so heavy it cannot be moved by god.
I realize that by definition there is no one infinity that is bigger than another infinity. But that analogy does not apply here, and is a discussion for another thread.
IATIA Wrote:If the future exists, then we are the past. There is no present. There is no moment when free will can be or has been expressed. Every moment of your existence has already happened (or been created). If you are expressing free will right now, then there is no future. The future cannot exist under a free will scenario until the choice is made. If the future exists, then right now you are obligated to follow that path, i.e., no free will. If the future exists then there is no choice to make and no free will.
We are at the point in every thread where we have made our arguments and are just repeating ourselves. I am content to let my arguments stand, and to give you that last word on the subject. I will only reply again if you bring something new to the table.
Thank you for the discussion.
Regards,
Shadow_Man