Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"

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 Your mistake was not reading everything I posted, I said I didn't put all atheist in that category. No I wasn't defending any atheist in my statements, I was stating what Christians do. I have been waiting for an atheist to supply facts about what they do to fight against the sex slave trade, you did and I thank you. I didn't see it was my responsibility to hunt down those facts, just as the atheist here tell me they do not see it their responsibility to hunt down positive facts about Christians, if one did I would probably have a heart attack. Again thanks for the response.

GC

My "mistake"? You clearly said, "The Christian church in it's efforts to stop the sex trade has influenced others to stop it. So with this understanding who's left to promote the sex slave trade..... unbelievers are the only choice, there only two sides to this and the Christians as a whole fight against it."

Yes your mistake, it certainly wasn't mine because you didn't read them all to start with, I'm sure you have by now. Yes I said those things, what's wrong with the statements.

While we grasp that you mean only unbelievers are doing the trade, and not every atheist on the planet (duuuuhhhh!), you're nevertheless implying that only atheism leads people to do such things. Even a cursory examination of the facts shows that's not the case. Now, you can call the theists who do this "sinners" or "Not True Christians™", but there is simply no evidence besides what you're pulling out of your ass that there's any correlation between nonbelief and an increased likelihood of doing that sort of horrible thing. What evidence there is seems to point to a reduced likelihood of nonbelievers doing that sort of thing, though even we admit that's probably because we generally have a higher average level of education.

Paul speaks of fake Christians that are leaders in the church and identifies how we can know them, so if the leaders can be fake why can't the average person who claims to be a Christian? With that explained if there are people saying they are Christians and selling children into sexual slavery I can assure you they are not. There are atheist all over this country and world that are not very well educated, you are blinding yourself to this fact, just because they do not identify as atheist doesn't me they aren't unbelievers, there is no in between, it's one or the other. Besides what does education have to do with morals, children show they have a sense of morality before they go to school. As far as I can see the highly educated such as Hitchins and others like him have little respect for the less educated and the religious, especially Christians. Don't come back with all atheist can't be judged by a few bad apples, most atheist here compare all Christians to those who are the bad apples, so all I'm doing is keeping this on equal ground as the atheist have ordained. So I say to you unbelievers are selling children into sexual slavery because they have no standard that's absolute to base their morality on, thus can change it to suit them, I know I was there at one time, your not talking to one who doesn't know what it's like to be an unbeliever. 

So rather than acknowledging that you had a prejudice, you simply assumed it to be true, based on your bias, until/unless someone could show you specific examples of the opposite (and ignoring that we have done so frequently in the years you've been here). You also didn't acknowledge the ways in which your religion's restrictive/anti-sex (Puritanical) viewpoint actually can harm the people who choose to engage in sex work, either voluntarily or out of economic pressure, which I pointed out.

No one that I know of has posted what some atheist are doing to fight against the sex slave trade, not until you did. Engaging in sex work can be harmful whether Christians object to it or not, many of the people who have come out of this work have said that it's absolutely the worst thing and that the male domination over the women is brutal, we the Christian church never caused harm to these, the harm comes within the lifestyle of that world.

You shouldn't have *had* to "hunt down" the way people like us feel about the sex trafficking industry; you should have known us as human beings by now well enough to know that we would never support anything remotely like slavery, or that harms women against their will, et cetera. But you didn't know because your prejudice is so strong, and you don't listen to us. That IS your responsibility, not as a Christian, but as a decent fucking human being.

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 Why, I've never seen anything about what atheist do to fight against sex trafficking. What I didn't do was accuse anyone here of that nor did I accuse anyone here that they were okay with it, you need to quit reading into my statements what you believe I say, you do it to often. I will say I've seen hints from some men here that might mean they don't mind degrading women, I hope it's not true. You can't bring up women being degrading by men in the Bible without bring up that the men of the world as a whole did so. Those things in the Bible are recorded history not God's intentions of how women were to be treated. Actually the family is to function as the Trinity functions, there are responsibilities in both that each part accepts as their own responsibility. This is the way God intended each member of the family to function, equals as the Trinity with separate but equally important responsibilities. We as humans may see them as levels, but the Trinity doesn't see that within itself, though we might see it that way with the Trinity, we are not to see levels in the Trinity nor the family. As far as accusing me of pulling things out of my butt you're wrong and you know it, I put this in a logical way and i'm sorry you can't accept it. You know I'm finished with this part of the thread, I've explained myself and see no further reason to defend my point of view. I haven't been disrespectful to anyone here about this subject and never intended to, so if anyone was it's their own false ideas about what I was saying.

GC