RE: There is no "I" in "You"
May 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2016 at 6:12 pm by quip.)
(May 17, 2016 at 5:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, it's non-sense because you offered a ridiculous postulate that no further discovery can redeem, on it's face - as though it were some sort of deepity.
What determined that I would be me, prior to my conception? Nothing -could have-. Let me explain why....and I;m kind of mystified as to why I have to explain it.
It's been a great many years since my conception...and every day since then things have happened that, if anything determines me to be who I am, do so. So asking what determined me to be the person I am, prior to my conception, and thus prior to all the things that have made me who I am..is non-sense. Understand?
Ontological identity had to come about at some point.
The question is odd though sound. Look, the premise is simple...just take an introspective look at your life. Have you ever wondered exactly why you are who you are; as a teenager did you wonder why you weren't the star football player or prom queen (assuming, like most of us, you weren't); why were you born into the family you were born into and the "what-if" fantasy of being somebody else. Well, why weren't you?
I'm simply expanding upon that nascent wonderment and making an ontological query into exactly how or why any one particular self among a historical amalgamation of selves has been, existentially speaking, personally discernible as "you".
If nothing else comes of this, it aptly illustrates that the very hand-waving efforts at dismissing/dodging the inquiry exposes a blind spot within the atheist perspective.
(May 17, 2016 at 5:27 pm)RozKek Wrote: I think I understand what you're asking here. Thing is let's say your body can only have one conscioussness and it just happened to be "you in this body", there is nothing special, immaterial or miraculous about it, it simply had to be someone and it was you. I think it's just a definition problem/mind game. A human was born and that human developed consciousness, it couldn't be any other way, there was no someone else, it was particularly you because it could only have been you. This was quite damn hard to phrase, it feels like a defintion problem/mind game like I said. You're asking "why am -I- in this body, why not someone else?" Well, you couldn't ask that question if you didn't exist, there was no someone else.
Anyway, thanks for frying my brain.
....it simply had to be someone and it was you.
Yes, but that holds true for everybody. Are you a determinists...if so, how is such determined?
(May 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm)quip Wrote:(May 17, 2016 at 5:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, it's non-sense because you offered a ridiculous postulate that no further discovery can redeem, on it's face - as though it were some sort of deepity.
What determined that I would be me, prior to my conception? Nothing -could have-. Let me explain why....and I;m kind of mystified as to why I have to explain it.
It's been a great many years since my conception...and every day since then things have happened that, if anything determines me to be who I am, do so. So asking what determined me to be the person I am, prior to my conception, and thus prior to all the things that have made me who I am..is non-sense. Understand?
Ontological identity had to come about at some point.
The question is odd though sound. Look, the premise is simple...just take an introspective look at your life. Have you ever wondered exactly why you are who you are; as a teenager did you wonder why you weren't the star football player or prom queen (assuming, like most of us, you weren't); why were you born into the family you were born into and the "what-if" fantasy of being somebody else. Well, why weren't you?
I'm simply expanding upon that nascent wonderment and making an ontological query into exactly how or why any one particular self among a historical amalgamation of selves has been, existentially speaking, personally discernible as "you".
If nothing else comes of this, it aptly illustrates that the very hand-waving efforts at dismissing/dodging the inquiry exposes a blind spot within the atheist perspective.
(May 17, 2016 at 5:27 pm)RozKek Wrote: I think I understand what you're asking here. Thing is let's say your body can only have one conscioussness and it just happened to be "you in this body", there is nothing special, immaterial or miraculous about it, it simply had to be someone and it was you. I think it's just a definition problem/mind game. A human was born and that human developed consciousness, it couldn't be any other way, there was no someone else, it was particularly you because it could only have been you. This was quite damn hard to phrase, it feels like a defintion problem/mind game like I said. You're asking "why am -I- in this body, why not someone else?" Well, you couldn't ask that question if you didn't exist, there was no someone else.
Anyway, thanks for frying my brain.
....it simply had to be someone and it was you.
Yes, but then that must holds true for everybody. Are you a determinists...if so, how is such determined?
Sorry, I keep double posting. I'm not used to the forum yet. :/
