(May 21, 2016 at 2:41 am)quip Wrote:(May 20, 2016 at 11:53 pm)robvalue Wrote: What does it have to do with anything?
If you are an atheist, you're asking yourself to defend the "atheist position", whatever you think that may be.
I don't believe in the all mighty gawd...in that respect I suppose I'm an atheist. Although, I tend to lean toward aspects of Buddhistic woo.
I'm not big on labels...so....?
Are you anti-woo? If so, I suppose - as an atheist - that's your de facto "position". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Atheist means one thing and one thing only. It means "I do not have a belief in any gods". Some take this another step farther, and declare that in their opinion there are no such thing as gods.
That's it. Finito. End of story.
Now, many of us are Secular Humanists (you can look that up if you want to know more), and most of us are Skeptics, which means we believe in nothing that cannot be demonstrated-- the "woo-woo", of which you speak. A skeptical outlook is not required for atheism. Most of us being skeptics, though, means we (here at this forum) are likely to ridicule people who swallow woo, even if it's not God-woo.
So say it with me: "there is no 'atheist position' on anything but the God question".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.