RE: Free will
May 24, 2016 at 5:13 am
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2016 at 5:14 am by Ignorant.)
(May 23, 2016 at 8:26 pm)dyresand Wrote: You stated in both all knowing you cannot have a all knowing god for both you just cant.
Why not? I apologize if I will not accept that without a reason to do so (especially when I have reasons to accept the opposite)
Quote:That's the obvious issue, a all knowing being does not allow for free will.
Ok, let us grant that for now.
Does an all-knowing being allow for contingency? Contingency is not the same as freedom/free-will. Consider this example:
If I (a human person) roll a 6-sided die, I pre-know all 6 of the contingent (i.e. possible) outcomes. I do not know, however, which of the 6 possible outcomes will actually turn up. When I roll the die, suppose it turns up 3. 3 is the actual outcome of the 6 possible outcomes. In other words, a rolled dice has BOTH 6 contingent outcomes, AND 1 actual outcome. Human's can only pre-know the contingencies.
Now consider the perspective of an all-knowing being:
God pre-knows all 6 of the contingent outcomes. He also pre-knows which of the 6 possible outcomes will actually turn up. As all-knowing, he knows BOTH the contingencies AND the actual outcome. They are not mutually exclusive. A 6 sided die really has BOTH 6 contingent outcomes AND 1 actual outcome. God knows everything about both KINDS of outcomes.
God's knowledge of the actual outcome does not somehow remove the contingent reality of a rolled 6-sided die. It is still contingent, and exactly one contingent reality becomes an actual reality.
Quote:However if said being did not know everything then sure free will by all means can/could exist.
Well, we will come back to freedom. Let's talk about contingency first.