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Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.
RE: Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.
(May 24, 2016 at 11:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're beginning to sound like a used car salesman, Drich.
Funny that you mention that.. One of my business has me own a independent car dealership. (We do sell used cars but most of what we sell are new.)
That said sincerity is the quality i believe you think is thinning. I can assure you that I believe and stake my own eternal existence on what I have shared. I'm all in here penny and pound.

(May 24, 2016 at 10:02 am)Drich Wrote: Why? Is it because I am simply reading what is on page and stopping with what is on page. Not filtering it first through the traditional church view?

Quote:You're stopping at what's on the page is one problem.  There's ANE literary traditions which you fail to take into account, for one.  Reading the passages in Genesis 2 it becomes clear how each segment of Genesis 2 is connected with some variant of the Hebrew word for 'and'.  This concatenation of events is not an indicator that they all happened contemporaneously, but that they form a series of events, starting I guess you can say on day 3, but not limited to day 3.  You're no bible scholar, Drich.  Others have looked at the Hebrew for millennia and come away with different answers.  I trust them a whole lot more than your reading of English "Easy To Read" versions of the bible.
The Hebrew word is actually 'adam Which can refer to the first man or Man as a race.
26 Then God said, “Now let’s make humans[f] who will be like us.[g] They will rule over all the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. They will rule over all the large animals and all the little things that crawl on the earth.”

27 So God created humans in his own image. He created them to be like himself.[h] He created them male and female. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Have many children. Fill the earth and take control of it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. Rule over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
So in essence God created 'humanity' which was different from what God did in the garden.

Quote:Then there's the problem of Genesis 1:26 which indicates that God made Adam (Hebrew for man) on day 6. How do you reconcile that with Adam being supposedly created on day 3 in Genesis 2?


So how do I explain what Genesis 1:26 forward says with a day three account of the creating Adam The first man on Day 3 according to Genesis 2?

Man made inside the Garden and given a "living soul" verses 'monkey man' that is created in the natural 'evolved' world outside of the garden.

We've had this discussion before, no?

If God only made one pair of people. Who did Adam's children marry? Where did the city of Nod come from? Who populated it? why does Genesis 2 make for a day two creation and Genesis one say it is on day 6?

You may have trust in your 'scholars' but their interpretation can not answer these simple questions without going off page for an answer. (incest, or God created more men but not the day 3 or the day 6 creations, or the lame duck secular explanation that Genesis one and Genesis 2 are two separate account compiled at a later time and really don't have much to do with one another, and for thousands of years scribes and Priests just did not know any better, even Jesus!) When the answer is soo simple and standing right in front of everyone.

a Man and a woman was created in the garden on day 3 and charged by God with a special purpose. and the rest 'Humanity' was created outside the garden on day 6 to go about their business.

And what's more the only thing needed for this interpretation to work is to simply look at what is on page without the corrective lenses of 'tradition' to change it's meaning for you.

All the evidence is here and it is literally spelled out, all you have to do is read the passage as a "child" would. with fresh untainted untrained eyes. Exactly how Jesus said we had to approach God.

Like it or not, Everything I claim is indeed supported on page with out a secret hand shake or a special school to tell you how to think.

And if all you can do to refute what I have said is point to how other people are 'smarter' and they do not read the passage as I do. To which I would refer you to Luke 10:
21 Then the Holy Spirit made Jesus feel very happy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth. I am thankful that you have hidden these things from those who are so wise and so smart. But you have shown them to people who are like little children. Yes, Father, you did this because it’s what you really wanted to do.

Christ was speaking to about his disciples he sent out to do many miraculous works, most of which were uneducated and looked down upon by the educated/religious elite. His praise specifically lifted up those who may not have had the training, but God used and directed anyway instead of those who thought themselves 'worthy.'

I have made no bones about my lack of understanding and education. That however makes no difference in my usefulness to God. Before I came here I spent 5 years debating and studying under men like you have describes and over time I found that they (like you) rely on a 'traditional understanding, and their educations in that tradition to validate what they believe. To them, and to you I ask, if your prize of knowledge is based on tradition, then what separates you from the Pharisees and Sadducee that Christ had such contempt for??

(May 24, 2016 at 10:02 am)Drich Wrote: I honestly do not know one person who A/S/K the God of the bible (not some Idol they themselves spun up) and was disappointed. So there's that.
Quote:Clever girl, the way you phrase that.  How many do you personally know who came to God through A/S/K?  Perhaps the ones who didn't simply didn't share it with you.
I honestly don't know. i have taught this message for a long time. at camps, single's retreats, and on line to hundreds if not thousands of people. This is not an over night thing. it's not a let's get saved by the end of the weekend thing. It's a how to spend you life to find God thing.

Now I've seeded this message and help people along in different stages a lot. and I've seen the finished result, but it was not due to just my efforts. So again I can't honestly answer that with a number.

That said I have personally watch several people start and walk/walking their way though the whole process. Sometimes it's difficult as God does often times have to lead them to a place where there is no hope, in order to walk them Back in a way they can seen Him. In the end it is a good thing, but durning one can indeed feel helpless while they struggle.
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RE: Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe. - by Drich - May 24, 2016 at 2:42 pm

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