RE: Free will
May 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm by Ignorant.)
(May 24, 2016 at 6:32 pm)dyresand Wrote: Scenario - Okay god makes the garden of eden tells two jerk offs named adam and eve they eat everything just not from this tree.
Wait, is this the one where humanity is forever cursed with original sin?
Quote:So premise god is all knowing he already knows whats going to happen they eat tree anyway. Humanity is forever cursed with original sin.
It IS that one!! Quick question about the premise... does he also know every other possible outcome? In other words, are there different ways in which this whole thing could have gone down in which humanity is NOT forever cursed with original sin?
Quote:The fruit in their case if those two people existed it would be the case of necessity not contingently.
That simply does not follow from your premise. You can claim this all you want, but until you give me a reason to believe why an all-knowing god means that contingency is impossible, I will continue to reject this claim (because I have reasons to accept the exact opposite).
Quote:They ate from a tree because a talking snaked talked them into it. This was before they had any free will they take orders from anything that could talk.
Say what? This story is taking a turn for the worse
Quote:Then even then what's the point there is no point if free will was a gift that gift is cursed and that gift is contingently unnecessary
I don't understand this sentence.
Quote:What's the point of knowing everything knowing every single outcome and giving humans the illusion of free will... there is no point other than were just some pawns to said being were just toys to it and nothing more.
Right... OR! maybe... just maybe... the real illusion is your understanding of contingency and free will.