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If You Don't Like It
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RE: If You Don't Like It
FatAndFaithless Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:But it would have fit Tuesday?

Look, I don't know why you're trying to turn this into such a fight?  As of Tuesday, it was unclear whether or not kids could be forced to shake their teachers' hands in Switzerland.  It has been clear for decades now that you cannot force kids to say the Pledge.  So no, it wouldn't have fit Tuesday, and it doesn't fit today because the decision on the pledge is the opposite decision that was made on the hand-shaking.

I'm having trouble understanding your objection to the analogy. What does whether they're forced to do it have to do with the fitness of the analogy? How is force relevant to whether it is right or wrong to want someone to leave the country they're in for not following its traditions? If analogies had a one-to-one correspondence to the thing they're being compared to, they wouldn't be analogies, so it's reasonable to think you only brought up force because it's important. I'm trying to understand why the force thing is a problem in comparing wanting people to leave the country for not saying the Pledge and wanting them to leave for not being willing to shake hands?

Are you saying that now that the educational authorities have decided to levy a large fine against the boys if they continue to refuse to shake hands with female teachers that the moral equation has changed? The cost of asserting their bodily autonomy certainly has, and if not saying the Pledge were made illegal, I think it would be more important than ever to not say it, as a matter of civil disobedience, and take the consequences.

Looking forward to learning from your response.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Messages In This Thread
If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 25, 2016 at 1:51 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Chad32 - May 25, 2016 at 1:53 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 25, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:51 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 26, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 26, 2016 at 1:19 pm
If You Don't Like It - by KUSA - May 25, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Chad32 - May 26, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Seraphina - May 25, 2016 at 11:00 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Aoi Magi - May 26, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 26, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Chad32 - May 26, 2016 at 3:17 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Angrboda - May 26, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 27, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Pat Mustard - May 29, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 3:14 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 26, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Chad32 - May 26, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - May 26, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Alex K - May 26, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - May 26, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 26, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by WinterHold - May 26, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Spinchance - May 27, 2016 at 3:36 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by WinterHold - May 27, 2016 at 7:12 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by vorlon13 - May 28, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 29, 2016 at 4:29 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by vorlon13 - May 27, 2016 at 7:18 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Spinchance - May 27, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 27, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by WinterHold - May 28, 2016 at 10:08 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - May 27, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by WinterHold - May 28, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by account_inactive - May 28, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Minimalist - July 14, 2016 at 1:01 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by account_inactive - July 14, 2016 at 2:07 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by Mister Agenda - July 14, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: If You Don't Like It - by FatAndFaithless - July 14, 2016 at 9:27 am

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