(May 27, 2016 at 11:58 am)Ignorant Wrote: The reason I posed the question in two formulas is EXACTLY BECAUSE the fruit making involves BOTH the "passive" response to the environment AS WELL AS the "active" influence on the environment. I was trying to capture both by posing both formulations. There is no next step. God's existence is irrelevant to the questions I pose.
Then there is no difference between the two statements.....other than perspective.