RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 28, 2016 at 10:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2016 at 10:55 am by IATIA.)
(May 28, 2016 at 10:35 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 27, 2016 at 11:57 pm)IATIA Wrote: Step 4 to step 5 is non sequitur. From step 5, the argument is invalid.The validity of that step comes from Way 1.
"Way 1" does not validate anything either. There is no reason to assume that space-time, dark energy, etc. are not eternally in motion. Any attempt to apply the infinite regression rule would apply to god also. Because god had to have a 'first' thought, a desire to create, then the 'action' of creation, we have a causality scenario that needs a "first mover" for god. The argument that god is "outside" time can just as well be applied to space-time, etc.. As time is a function of the causality of matter, there would be no time until space-time erupted and matter was created.
Which is more logical? eternal energy or eternal intelligent energy?
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
