(May 28, 2016 at 4:59 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: My suggestion to you is that you take a bit more time to make sure you fully understand the terms of the demonstrations before raising objections that have nothing at all to do with them.
There is no strawman. It just as easy to accept the universe as timeless as it is to accept a god as timeless. It is much easier to accept an unintelligent universe that allowed our particular cosmos to exist than it is to accept that magically there was an intelligent being. It is you building the strawman suggesting that god could overcome causality with a convoluted explanation, but insisting that the universe could not have done the same thing without intelligence.
Your god had to have a desire to create before creating. Causality. No matter how many hoops you jump through, god had to have a desire and also a reason.
It is quite obvious that no theist has any idea what a god is. If there were a god, it would be so far above any interest in this tiny blue speck of dust, let alone, a nomadic tribe of superstitious murderers and rapists. It certainly would not need or want our worship.
I am sure you will respond with a "blah blah blah" and never once accept that a god capable of creating a universe could certainly find something more entertaining to itself.
Oh yeah, angels. They were created before the universe. More causality. Whoops, infinite regression again.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
