(April 20, 2011 at 4:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 20, 2011 at 3:21 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Look frodo, you may be a very reasonably guy - I don't know you, but I'm sure you'll understand the rational logic behind what I'm saying - which is: If you believe that your god knows you personally, loves you, and looks after you - than you, by proxy, must believe that he cares for everyone this way.Wrong.
God loves us all equally. It's US that choose to accept that or not.
How am I wrong if you just wrote: God loves us all equally. You just agreed with me ... you believe your god loves everyone the way he loves you. HOW pray tell, does that make me wrong?
(April 20, 2011 at 3:21 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Thus, it becomes impossible for a person of your beliefs to explain why your god allows certain people (like these poor bastards) to suffer in torment for an entire lifetime.Which makes that statement bollocks doesn't it?
...nope, it keeps it to a logical progression.
(April 20, 2011 at 3:21 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: ...unless of course you consider one of these two factors:Wrong again... given your misunderstanding above.
#1 These are not your beliefs and you don't believe that you have a personal relationship with god - as nearly all christians claim to have.
#2 These people, not being born into the Christian faith were cursed by god as they were being conceived.
another great argument there *rollingeyes*
I have a personal relationship with God because I let him love me. That buys me no favours. Only in your fantasy is that so. That fantasy is nothing like my belief. Who does it serve? Straw man bashing??
How does that remotely address my statement?? What are you even talking about?? What fantasy of mine???? You did not even come close to responding to my actual question nor did you even bother to include it in your rebutal. Straw man bashing -- REALLY????
I'll try it this way.
Do you believe that your god is willfully allowing those poeple a lifetime of suffering for some unknowable plan of his making?
Yes or No? Simple question. No fantasy. No talking in circles (which you're good at). No sidestepping. No answering for the masses. Just you and your belief. Yes or No?