20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting

[Homeless Nutter]

The portion of Huggy's post you quoted and disputed reads, "Guns aren't a determining factor in whether or not someone commits suicide." I read that to mean "the presence of a gun doesn't enter into the decision to commit suicide" -- and I don't think it does. [...]

I see. Well - I read it as "availability of guns has no influence on whether or not someone ends up as a suicide-related fatality". If it was to mean otherwise, I'd expect the words "decision", or "attempt" to be used. After all - having attempted suicide is not the same as having committed one, in my understanding, just as someone, who committed any act is not the same as someone who merely attempted it.

But whatever, fine - I wasn't arguing, that guns make people want to kill themselves - not in any statistically significant numbers, anyway. They only facilitate a speedy solution. Which at the end of the day - influences statistics, like suicide rates.