dom.donald,
You are looking for love in all the wrong places.
At the sub-atomic level we have protons, neutrons and electrons, with very specific and limited properties like mass and charge. At the molecular level we have entirely new properties that absolutely do not exist at the sub-atomic level, like color, buoyancy and acidity. At each next level of abstraction (macro-ness) new properties are evident that do not exist at the lower levels, and are not constrained by the limitations of the lower levels. These new properties are very real. They are not illusions.
Eventually we move up to living, breathing, human beings. Brand new properties are evident that absolutely do not exist at the lower levels. They are not constrained by the limitations of those lower levels. They are very real. They are not illusions.
You find love by poking around among the humans, not by poking around among the protons. It is very real, and not an illusion. The same is true for life, and for thoughts, and for free will.
The evidence overwhelmingly says we make choices freely.
I am very skeptical of this claim, but if I did accept this claim, why should I believe that my subconscious brain is not "me?"
Regards,
Shadow_Man
dom.donald Wrote:Well I think free will is an illusion. At the macro level we think we are making choices, but at the micro level it's just a bunch of chemicals interacting according to a set of rules, with possibly a bit of randomness thrown in for good measure.
You are looking for love in all the wrong places.
At the sub-atomic level we have protons, neutrons and electrons, with very specific and limited properties like mass and charge. At the molecular level we have entirely new properties that absolutely do not exist at the sub-atomic level, like color, buoyancy and acidity. At each next level of abstraction (macro-ness) new properties are evident that do not exist at the lower levels, and are not constrained by the limitations of the lower levels. These new properties are very real. They are not illusions.
Eventually we move up to living, breathing, human beings. Brand new properties are evident that absolutely do not exist at the lower levels. They are not constrained by the limitations of those lower levels. They are very real. They are not illusions.
You find love by poking around among the humans, not by poking around among the protons. It is very real, and not an illusion. The same is true for life, and for thoughts, and for free will.
dom.donald Wrote:I don't think we are making choices freely.
The evidence overwhelmingly says we make choices freely.
dom.donald Wrote:Science has already appeared to show at a high level that our subconscious brains make "choices" which put conscious brain simply seeks to rationalise.
I am very skeptical of this claim, but if I did accept this claim, why should I believe that my subconscious brain is not "me?"
Regards,
Shadow_Man
