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UK Brexit, questions from an American
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
(June 16, 2016 at 1:02 pm)Ben Davis Wrote: It's largely for historic reasons and inflated senses of patriotism that Europe has a different model. However I personally think that's a bit of a red herring. After all, the US gains its strength by being the 'cultural melting pot', diverse with culture and language, unified (in theory) by common purpose. I see no reason, other than tribalism, why that can't be applied globally.

That would be brilliant if it could be applied but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon - Maybe it's my natural pessimism or the fact I have seen lots of hatred during the short period I have remained alive on this planet. I actually believe independentism and separation of territories is more likely than unification.

Coming from a Portuguese person I can tell you I'm against the EU but my experience is probably different than British people - I'm not against the EU because of immigrants or some sense of nationalism, I'm against the EU because I see it as another oligarchical institution designed to serve the interests of the same old group of people. This is the exact same idea I have of most western politicians and governments. Do you honestly believe the average politician genuinely cares about issues like poverty, inequality, lack of stability and labor rights?

I remember all the austerity measures that started back in 2008 and were imposed by the EU. I believe that those who came up with the EU idea had something brilliant in mind but unfortunately there are secondary interests from third parties ruining what was supposed to be better for all of us. 

Do you want to know what most people around me think when they think of the EU? Austerity, unemployment, poverty, etc - This is why there is a small but growing left-wing faction that is anti-EU, not everyone who is anti-EU needs to be a racist and a nationalist. I honestly want to be pro-EU, but I just can't.

The average person doesn't think excessively about global politics - The average person wants a decent job, a decent life and a bit of freedom. That is all most people request from institutions like the EU. The quality of life in western countries will most likely get worse in the next decades. I simply do not see the EU surviving for very long and I believe this is the most realistic prediction, whether people think it is good or not.

I won't comment on Brexit tough, I'm not british and it's not my business to say if it's better or not for the UK to leave - Tough personally if the UK wishes to leave, so be it.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 15, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Silver - June 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 15, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 16, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 16, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 16, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ashground - June 16, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 16, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 16, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 1:12 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 21, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 20, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Mr Greene - June 21, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Aractus - June 22, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Iroscato - June 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 22, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:02 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Iroscato - June 22, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Cyberman - June 23, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by LastPoet - June 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by LastPoet - June 23, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 23, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 23, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 27, 2016 at 11:12 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 11:05 pm

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