Conservative Libertarian Michelle Bachmann speaks..

[theVOID]

I have already AGREED with you five hundred times that they are non-sensical words and even called them "frankenstein words" in my last post. How much more do I have to say that I agree the title is fucked up before you realize that I think the words "conservative Libertarian" is fucked up.

You can say it as many times as you like, but you continue to propagate the meme, why the fuck should I take you seriously when you say "Yeah it's nonsense" and then keep using it?

So what do you want me to do about it then? They use this title in American politics now wether you like it or I like it. Should I ignore them when they call themselves that? Libertarians ARE voting them in. Sure, I am willing to bet my next 5 paychecks that you, adrian, and most of the libertarians voting for them also think the word "conservative libertarian" is fucked up as well, and that the people dont stand for the social values of Libertarians, but that does NOT, for one SECOND, take away from the fact that most AMERICAN Libertarians are members of the teaparty (I know, I know, Void, I know where your stance is.), that many AMERICAN Libertarians will vote Republican because their economic views eclipse their social views (I KNOW, I KNOW VOID.. they arent really Libertarians), and that some who have claimed to be Libertarians such as Ron Paul have easily switched over to the Republican party (I KNOW, I KNOW VOID..Ron Paul isnt a true Libertarian).

1. The tea party is a group of people, mostly conservatives, some libertarians, who largely follow the Austrian school of economics and are rallying against the stimulus spending, debt and deficits because they fear that the Austrian predictions will again be correct just as they were with the Nasdaq and Housing bubble, the Austrian school is predicting a nasty currency collapse and economic downturn that will be much much worse than allowing a recession. Yes the difference between Libertarians and Conservatives is significant on individual liberties, but the problem at hand is MUCH more pressing than any civil rights issue right now - If your currency collapses things are going to be much worse for much more people than if gay people can't marry - THAT is the primary concern of everyone who isn't drinking Bernanke's Keynesian cool-aid.

2. Ron Paul is a Libertarian, to conflate him with neo-cons is absurd, in his new book he has an entire chapter with a scathing attack on neo-cons. He's also said, when asked by a reported if he thinks he'd suit Sarah Palins voters should she not run for the presidency that he wouldn't because they wouldn't like his policies.

3. Your Democrats might be marginally better on social issues, but they're a fucking disaster on economics, while the Libertarians have more in common with them socially the trade-off is just not worth it. When your options are 1. Side with conservatives with some economics sense, 2. Side with the dems and help tank the economy or 3. Try and go it alone and get nothing done soon enough - It's no surprise that given the economic conditions it makes more sense for the Libertarians to try and infiltrate and persuade the republicans than it does to side with the dems or just stay in the LP.

Peter Schiff explains why the Libertarians are better off trying to influence the GOP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45sN9xbBOEE

Straight from the Libertarian Parties official blog on Glen Beck and his "becoming more and more libertarian every day". Not one...single...bad....thing..is mentioned about Beck.

So he's less likely to support someone who wants to boss you around? Less likely to promote archaic marriage laws? Is that not good? Hey look, Glen Beck is becoming less of a totalitarian! Why is that a bad thing? It's absurd, you complain that these people are totalitarian fiscal conservatives and when some socially liberal Libertarians infiltrate their ranks and change their positions it's a problem??? That is EXACTLY what you need! If the Libertarians can get traction amongst the Glen Beck's of the world and change their minds on social issues then EVERYONE is better off...

I just noticed how a true Libertarian such as yourself took right off on putting Glenn Beck in his place, to ASSURE me that Beck isnt an authority when it comes to Libertarians..yet I dont get that feeling when I search Glen Becks name on the Libertarian Parties official web site. In fact, I have yet to see it. In fact I see nothing but praise for him when I search for his name on their site:

So Glen Beck "Becoming more and more libertarian every day" makes him an Authority on Libertarians? What the fuck are you smoking? "Becoming more and more" clearly implies he's currently not one.

And Like I said before, Glen Beck and the other social conservatives becoming more libertarian is good for everyone.

*at the Glenn Beck D.C. Rally* While I think Glenn Beck holds some Libertarian views, he strays on some issues. Some passersby mentioned having taken the Quiz on Beck's television show. Of that informed group, some eagerly accepted the bumper stickers and quiz cards, while others were clearly against us.

Which tells you what? Did you READ that?

"Glenn Beck holds some Libertarian views" - Yeah, Small government and somewhat free markets

"he strays on some issues" - Social liberties and some corporatism

Should I take you word, Void, or should I take the word of the big wigs of the Libertarian Party on Glen Beck?

You mean that he agrees with them on some issues? Well no shit, I have never said otherwise, I'll freely admit that I agree with the Tea Party on some issues, so fucking what? That doesn't make them, or me, "Conservative Libertarians".

Are you aware that there are a few parties world wide who call themselves "Progressive", but arent socially liberal, or even economically moderate for that matter? I am. I would not say they are NOT Progressives. I would say they arent what we Americans call Progressives. Surely you can appreciate this difference...of course I would admit that their party name is "progressives".

That's not analogous, their party name is the "Tea Party" not the "Conservative Libertarians". Go find me an example of some party somewhere who are socially conservative but call themselves "progressive" and I'll start making threads equating the two, ya know, just like you do.

But not only is Glenn Beck pushing it, but the Libertarian Party itself is getting on board with it. Granted, the Lib party may only have one leg in the "conservative Libertarian" car ride, while they hold the other out to drag..but regardless, they are in that car.

Nonsense, Glen Beck calls himself a conservative who is becoming more and more persuaded by Libertarian ideas, not a "conservative libertarian" nor does anyone else use that label. He's still not a Libertarian - If he's being persuaded then good! - If the Libertarians can reform the GOP then they'll be doing your country a ton of good.