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UK Brexit, questions from an American
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American
(June 22, 2016 at 9:30 am)Dystopia Wrote: @Ben Davis

How do you measure if a law has been implemented with a positive outcome?
'Successfully implemented' simply means that legislation is doing what it's designed to do. 'Positive' means net positive gain. We'll be here for years if we try to discuss the pros & cons of every single EU legislative decision. There are problems, I'm sure I've been explicit that I don't like certain things that are going on at the moment but if we examine long-term effects of membership, we see an upward trend in almost every measure of societal health for member states.

Quote:I live in Portugal and with the € as currency coming in circa 2001 most people thought it would be entirely positive - While there are benefits for a single currency, an example of a negative aspect I can instantly think of (that I remember well despite being a kid back then) is that the prices for almost everything rose due to the € being a more "powerful" coin than our previous currency. Obviously, this is something seriously troubling for lower class people.
I'm not going to pretend to know anything about Portuguese politics but I understand the issues of strong currency. One of the benefits is that employment tends to increase over time as does lending confidence, leading to more money going back in to the economy. Did you see that occur?

Quote:Would those nations benefit considerably, or would the USA and Canada benefit the most?
In theory, all member states would benefit. That's the purpose of a democratic union. It's Aractus' model, maybe we should ask him Big Grin

Quote:Again, this is a problem of corruption. If politicians are corrupt and represent interests of outsiders and do not follow the will of the people, the supra organizations formed by states will be, by definition, corrupt.
Indeed, I agree however corrupt politicians are easily defeated by an electorate that cares. All that's needed is for them to be voted out. Remember, leaders can only be selected from democratically elected members.

Quote:While you mentioned a world government I actually believe the opposite will happen - regionalization. We are already seeing a perfect example with the situation of Catalonia in Spain. Catalonia wants its independence and a significant part of the population doesn't consider themselves Spanish. How does this scenario fit in a world government when a minuscule piece of land (compared to the size of the entire planet) has trouble keeping itself "attached" to a slightly larger institution?
In a world where information and resources can be distributed quickly and easily, the overall trend has been towards larger, gestalt political organisations due to the greater spans of control and increased influence. Over time, this is likely to result in super-states but not necessarily. Of course in any distribution curve, there are exceptions and outliers but they aren't indicative of the norm.
Sum ergo sum
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RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 15, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Silver - June 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 15, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 16, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 16, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 16, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ashground - June 16, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 16, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 16, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 1:12 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 16, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by dyresand - June 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 21, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 20, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Mr Greene - June 21, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Aractus - June 22, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Ben Davis - June 22, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Iroscato - June 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 22, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:02 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Dystopia - June 22, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Iroscato - June 22, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 22, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 22, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Cyberman - June 23, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by robvalue - June 23, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by abaris - June 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by LastPoet - June 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Tiberius - June 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by LastPoet - June 23, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 23, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by emjay - June 23, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by paulpablo - June 27, 2016 at 11:12 pm
RE: UK Brexit, questions from an American - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 11:05 pm

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