RE: Shariah: Is it "barbaric"?
April 28, 2011 at 9:16 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2011 at 9:26 am by reverendjeremiah.)
ru Wrote:are you the forum bot on this site?No, Cain is becoming a respected member of our community, unlike yourself. So why dont you do us a favor and pack your barbaric and superstitious veiws up and swing over to some Taliban forum. I am sure they will love you over there.
ru Wrote:As I mentioned earlier, anyone can pick out the most negative evidence to prove a point. What you choose to do is to select incidents in poverty-stricken nations where the people are living under extreme tyranny.No, everything you mentioned was obviously blown out of proportion, and one thing you mentioned now has to be done because of your brother Islamists and their violent jihad against everything that is reasonable.
ru Wrote:Why don't you take a look at the republic of Congo with secular laws, a caravan of 200 men travel to nearby cities and rape any human they find:The congo is an authoritarian regime, you know, just like the ones you Muslims want to prop up everytime you garner a majority. They mistreat their women over there..you know, like your Quran commands.
ru Wrote:Similarly, there is absolutely nothing you can say that can ever justify the punishments that the children and women of Waco, Texas felt in 1993.yeah... and if the muslims were in charge of handling Waco they would have GLADLY stoned all of the women and children publicly at a football game for worshipping David Koresh...probably after raping them in the streets repeatedly.
ru Wrote:Once again, stoning is a rare occurrence........ in fact such a punishment is not really mentioned in the Quran.Nice try, but you are in a forum where people are MUCH MORE educated in religion than the believers are, which makes us atheists and skeptics. this is a typical ploy from extremist Muslims who try to hide the reality of the situation by merely acting as if the koran is the ONLY book they gather their laws from. In reality the koran is merely the base of their laws, and the HADITHS are added upon the base law as well.
wikipedia Wrote:STONING In IslamDo you always lie this much, or are you fucking ignorant to your own hateful religion?
Further information: Namus, Rajm, Koran, and Hadith
Islamic Sharia Law is based on the Koran, the hadith, and the biography of Mohammed. Shia and Sunni hadith collections differ because scholars from the two traditions differ as to the reliability of the narrators and transmitters and the Imamah. Shi'a sayings related to stoning can be found in Kitab al-Kafi,[9] and Sunni sayings related to stoning can be found in the Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.[10]
Based on this, in several Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, adultery is punishable by stoning.
The Koran forbids all sexual intercourse outside the marital bond as sinful, but makes no distinction between adultery and fornication and in both cases the punishment is flogging 100 times for those found guilty.[11] Stoning (rajm) as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Koran, so some modernist Muslim scholars like Quran alone Muslim Scholars take the view that stoning to death is not an Islamic law.[12]
According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Muhammad stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[13]
Hadith saying of stoning Wrote:In hadith (sayings)
Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Chapter 6: Stoning to Death of Jews and Other Dhimmis In Cases of Adultery, Number 4216: Jabir b.'Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle stoned (to death) a person from Banu Aslam, and a Jew and his wife.[14]
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23: Funerals, Number 413: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." [15]
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50: Conditions, Number 885: Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's apostle! I ask you by Allah to judge My case according to Allah's Laws." His opponent, who was more learned than he, said, "Yes, judge between us according to Allah's Laws, and allow me to speak." Allah's Apostle said, "Speak." He (i .e. the bedouin or the other man) said, "My son was working as a laborer for this (man) and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that it was obligatory that my son should be stoned to death, so in lieu of that I ransomed my son by paying one hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious scholars about it, and they informed me that my son must be lashed one hundred lashes, and be exiled for one year, and the wife of this (man) must be stoned to death." Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to be returned to you, your son is to receive a hundred lashes and be exiled for one year. You, Unais, go to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses her guilt, stone her to death." Unais went to that woman next morning and she confessed. Allah's Apostle ordered that she be stoned to death
ru Wrote:When it occurs, it is usually in nations/cultures that are living under tyranny. These people are suppressed and take it out on one another. This kind of stuff happens in any nation/culture that is suffering economically and socially.And it is EXTREMELY RARE that a government made from a muslim majority country is ever anything BUT tyranical. History is NOT on your side, so your lies stand out even more. You disgust me. Please leave this forum.
(April 28, 2011 at 7:12 am)padraic Wrote: However,that's only the opinion of a foreign kafir, none my business what other countries choose to do,unless they threaten my country. Nor to be honest do I care any more than I care about say the US and its idiotic gun culture.
Yup, I feel the same way about the brits who gladly handed over their freedoms along with their spines...and now it looks like they are getting ready to hand over their government to the muslims within a few decades.