Amoral Inaction

[Cinjin]

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The difference between a deist god and no god at all is ______________________________________________________________________________________?

The question you are asking implys that deists need a god for some reason. I don't need a god. People who need a god are called christians, or muslims or whatever. They need a god so they can explain away their miserable lives or make sense of their day or justify their war or understand why "bad things" happen. Revealed religions of the world are designed for weak stupid people who want some kind of reason to get out of bed in the morning. I don't need a god .... therefore its of no concern to me whether hes watching over the planet or has completely forgotten all about us. I like the fact that in my mind the life cycle of all things, for all time has been taken care of a long time ago and I need not worry about anything. That is the difference.

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Thats a sweeping generalisation of theists which I do not believe is true at all. I do not think you can offer any reasoning to suppose that a deist god is more likely than a theist god. The diest god is subject to less critcism merely becuase it offers less to be attacked in the firts place and it is hard to see the difference between a diest god and no god at all.

I never made claim that my God is more likely than a theist god. That was not the question put forth. And your third sentence is just a reiteration of min's original question ... which I answered.

Deism (although I can only speak to those I have conversed with on this subject) seems to spring forth from a desire to explain perceived order (design) and or get things started in the first place; but prima facie we now have superior explanations for the universe, so...hence what is the diffenrence between a diest god and there being no god at all?

"We have superior explanations of the universe", first of all, is, and always has been hotly debated. Secondly, talk about sweeping generalization - not everything in the universe is explainable just yet. MANY things are still unknown ... hell, scientists are still debating the source of the earth's water - a "superior explanation" has NOT been locked down on that or many many other things. As for your last sentence ... that again is the same question min posed ... and I already answered it. I wasn't asked to prove that my God was better than a theist god .... I already know I cannot prove that. And I don't care to.

Rebuttals really shouldn't include accusations of points that were never initially made.

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I personally see deism as a bunch of atheists who are afraid to call themselves atheists. Or, perhaps they keep believing in a god because of societal or familial pressures to believe in one, but they rightly don't think that any gods interact in any way with anything that happens on earth. They believe this because they don't see any cause & effect with regards to prayer, or why a loving god would allow natural disasters, but they just haven't made the next logical step to realize that there's no reason to even believe in a god which created the universe but doesn't do anything with it. A god which exists but doesn't control anything in the universe is basically the same as no god existing. Since there's no evidence that this ambivilant god exists, then there's no reason to believe in it, especially since we're close to explaining how the universe came to be without a god creating it.

I don't know what Deists you're talking to, but I never said that I didn't think God controlled anything. I also never said absolutely that God doesn't get involved with earth. Once again, I have to add that I do not know what Gods daily planner looks like but most Deists will tell you it is possible that God puts a hand on this planet much like any creator of any project would come back to a certain portion of that project and do a little re-adjusting. There are also other factors to consider for the reason we have a God, but I'm not a preacher trying to win souls. If you'd like to know a little more about Deism. Here is a link. http://www.deism.com/index.html