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The Fly
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RE: The Fly
(July 9, 2016 at 6:29 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: I was just being kind and friendly to a fellow Mu'min. But if u feel I'm wasting ur time I won't continue. But from u not accepting my kind remarks towards u, I promise u I won't lose any sleep. But let me ask u this how do u know what the Prophet Muhammad saws said for sure or didn't say for sure? The Hadith is how he applied the law of the Qur'an to his own lifestyle with the guidance of Allah. So I see where ur argument is "How do we know it is truly what the Prophet saws said or did" but my argument is "How do we know he didn't truly say or do these things". So once again we must believe and follow what is in our own hearts as true and we can't judge one another as right or wrong that's what Allah The Wise will do.


No, that's not my argument.

This is my argument:

I said:

Quote:Atlas said:
Is anything Mohammed said, was considered a revelation from heaven?

When you, said:


Quote:Sheed said:
What I said was in the Qur'an are the verses where Allah says "Nor does he (Muhammad) say aught of his own accord. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him" Surah 53:3-4. So Allah says here that all the knowledge the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has to tell us as mankind is received by God Allah's inspiration.

So you're saying: every tine bit of thing Mohammed said, is a revelation. Thus; any narrative (that claims quoting him) is, also, a revelation.
In other words: if Mohammed said (I want to go to the toilet; excuse me), that's a revelation from God???

Or let's have an official example.
Why was Mohammed criticized in the Quran in two places if everything he did was a revelation?

( Sura 33 Verse 37 )   And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.

And the second location:

Sura 80
 1 )   [The Prophet] frowned and turned away
( 2 )   Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting].
( 3 )   But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified
( 4 )   Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him?
( 5 )   As for he who thinks himself without need,
( 6 )   To him you give attention.
( 7 )   And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified.
( 8 )   But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]
( 9 )   While he fears [Allah],
( 10 )   From him you are distracted.
( 11 )   No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;

So much for Mr right; eh ? Mohammed is a human; sheed. He makes mistakes just like everybody else.
Read your own Quran:

Sura 17
( 73 )   And indeed, they were about to tempt you away from that which We revealed to you in order to [make] you invent about Us something else; and then they would have taken you as a friend.

( 74 )   And if We had not strengthened you, you would have almost inclined to them a little.
( 75 )   Then [if you had], We would have made you taste double [punishment in] life and double [after] death. Then you would not find for yourself against Us a helper.


So should I believe you, sheed (along with the Sunni beards wiping the toilets of Satan), or should I believe the Quran?
Then, are you saying that God revealed a book other than the Quran, and Bukhari was his author? 

Did I miss anything, is Bukhari the messiah or something; or the new prophet of the religion of my father, Abraham?

May the prayers of God be on Mohammed; the HUMAN, who CHOSE.
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