RE: Evidence for Jesus Christ?
May 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm by DeistPaladin.)
(May 3, 2011 at 2:58 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Its always good to have a DeistPaladin on your side to help.
It's just that I've gotten so used to debating apologists and knowing how they look for any word in scripture they can turn, reinterpret or, in some cases, wrench completely out of context to weasel out of their theological problem. I've learned to anticipate their objections.
...oh and speaking of...
(May 3, 2011 at 3:18 pm)tackattack Wrote: That's exactly my take on Matt. and John verses quoted DP. Also nowhere in Luke 16:22-31 does it say the rich man's torment was everlasting.
But Jesus does articulate Hell as a place of torture, which doesn't fit well with the theology that Hell is a place of destruction.
Quote:I interpret all of that being that their is Hades (Sheol) and come judgment time there is a "second death" To which you are either destroyed or live with God.
You should go talk to a rabbi sometime. "Sheol" translates to mean "the grave". The ancient Hebrews regarded this as "oblivion", not a holding/torture cell while you wait for judgment day.
As Lewis Black has observed, it's not your fault. It's not your book. When you want to understand the OT, you should "find a Jew and they will be happy to explain it all to you if the price is right."
Quote:Punishment is not eternal, and you've failed to support your claims.
*Snap* Irony meter overloaded again.
Quote:You may be tortured till you repent in Sheol, given the opportunity to do such, or paid an equitable punishment for your sins, it's not clear in scripture.
In fact, it's not even there in scripture. You sound like you're making up another Purgatory.
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