(May 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Any statement that contains a "should" or an "ought" is a moral statement. We use these all the time in science, so I believe moral laws are necessary in order to conduct the scientific method.Should or ought statements are normative statements, and though they are often used in conjunction with morals in social contexts, this is not the case with science. For starters you are not supposed to use normative statements in science, as they are often based on emotion and not rational thought. If you nonetheless were to use them, and wish to connect them to morals, it depends how you define morals. If you define morals as the feeling of right and wrong as is most common in everyday speech then no, no morals are required. If you define it simply as a differentiation between correct and incorrect(a bit of a stretch but an arguable position) then it can be tenuously applied in some contexts.
(May 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Well I believe a rational creator is necessary for several reasons, two of which would be...
The other presuppositions I listed above are completely rational if a rational creator is exists. If the universe came into being without a rational mind behind it there is no reason at all to make these presuppositions.
The second reason is that there would be no reason for humans to develop rational minds from irrational events and matter. Our ability to think rationally I feel is one of the greatest evidences that we are made in the image of another rational being. Irrational events never begot rationalism. So that's one reason I believe in God. Thoughts?
Your first point is an argument from ignorance and a presupposition which is not rationally defensible.
Your second point is a string of arguments from ignorance from start to finish, with a sprinkling of fallacies to top it off.
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