(July 28, 2016 at 11:37 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(July 28, 2016 at 11:13 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: On this I would like to point out that God had a very different vision for the world at it's creation. Specifically when he rested and said that it is good. It was not until after the fall of man that the world descended into what it has become. Most of what people object to in the bible stems from the events that have taken place since; whereabouts He has and is providing a path to our reconciliation to Him.(emphasis is mine)
In other words, it's really all our fault.
Bullshit!
An omniscient, omnipotent gawd (as purported by the buy-bull) would have been able to see what would become of it's creation, enabling it to plan accordingly to avoid the atrocities. In plain words, your buy-bull puts forth the claim that gawd created us knowing that we would fall. Knowing that it would have to order, even commit atrocities and or/ stand by and watch them committed in it's name.
My morality is greater than that of buy-bull gawd in the simple fact that if I witnessed a rape/murder/etc... I would try to stop it. Buy-bull gawd never does.
I concur that He did know man would fall; but man did have help in that. I do not wish to enter into the free will rabbit hole but to have love and a relationship there must be free will and a choice. So yes, He did know, yet provided a way to reconcile us to Him in the end.
To say your morality is greater I would disagree as you lack a standard to compare that to because all perceived humanistic morality is subjective.
You said that you would stop a rape/murder therefore you are more moral than God? I wouldn't lift a finger to stop you from murdering a pedophile.
Nearly everyone here complains that God does not stop evil, murder, suffering in the world. Yet they cannot wait to condemn Him for eliminating an immoral and evil people from the land in the Old Testament. We cannot have it both ways.
