Veganism - the other OTHER religion

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P.S> Hitler was vegetarian. Hitler believed that a vegetarian diet could both alleviate personal health problems and bring about a spiritual regeneration.

So what if he was? You're merely reiterating my point, which was that your were making the very simple association fallacy, and you know that. Again, it's the exact same thing if I said all Atheists are Nazis, and that all Vegans are Religious/Extremists. Obviously, NOT TRUE. Dangling a red herring only makes you look like a fool.

I don't think you've even attempted a single, logical argument in this entire thread.

I say again, go back and read my first posts. I have no beef with individual vegetarians who do not evangelize. PETA are the religious freaks.

Good, but you DID equate VEGANISM (and NOT PETA) with religion in the thread title. I am not putting words in your mouth, now, am I? Now, when I defended VEGANISM, your reply was this

It is very much like a religion, as there is no grounds to ban eating meat, but that is what PETA wants to do.

A rather nasty way of doing business, no? Somehow, you infer PETA and "bans" from my complaints against animal cruelty and veganism. Nice little trick you pulled.

If you try to legislate what goes on my dinner plate..then me and you are going to have a SERIOUS talk, and it may get awfully physical.

Again, did I ever bring this up?

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Could you please clarify whether you are against eating meat or cruelty to animals.(there is a difference)

They inevitably go hand in hand. As I said before, I am NOT against eating meat for meat's sake. However, it is a fact that virtually all processed meat comes from animal farms, in which creatures suffer enormously. That is my complaint.

But having said that I have no problem killing to eat. But I would make it quick and painless.

I would argue that "humane" means more than just a quick and painless death. Quality of life is, I think, of great importance. Animals shouldn't be mistreated during life, and shouldn't live in filthy, cramped cages.

Something I might add that a animal in the wild would not grant. A lion does not care if the antelope it has just killed has suffered or not, and would not understand the concept if you tried to explain it.

I'm a utilitarian, and my overriding philosophy is to do as little harm as possible, while doing as much good as possible. Simple as that. I cannot possibly fault a lion for being inhumane. As you clearly pointed out, lions are not capable of the concept. However, WE are, which is the difference I try to emphasize in these discussions.

But I like meat and I feel no guilt in eating it.

Well, I won't object to that. As I said, though, I would appreciate it if people at least give the idea some thought. And some amount of respect for Vegans would be nice. We're not freaks, you know (well, most of us aren't.)