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Is contemporary atheism sufficient to sustain a civilisation?
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RE: Is contemporary atheism sufficient to sustain a civilisation?
(August 14, 2016 at 10:35 am)abaris Wrote:
(August 14, 2016 at 9:27 am)purplepurpose Wrote: In a documentary chinese guy got 2 years in work or slave camp, just because he went on a public protest because some goverment official illegally kicked him out of his house to build there luxuary apartaments for himself.

Exactly, and that's what I miss in all this China this and China that hyperbole. The abject poverty of the largest part of the populations. Cold comfort that they don't starve such as during Mao's cultural revolution. They still have next to no rights and that's but one of the reasons why our corporations treat China like the promised land.

The cold comfort is when you have rights, but no heat in the winter.   What they have is actually rather warm comfort, just a smaller, and less formal, set of rights.    

Poverty emiserates far more than lack of assurance of political rights.

When actually facing a stark choice affecting oneself Between heat and western concept and implementation of rights, food and western concept and implementation of rights, leisure time and western concept and implementation rights, only a very small,albeit vocal and self important, minority, even in the west, would chose the latter and not the former.   The west promotes right over other things because lack of heat, hunger and lack of leisure is born by others while the west enjoys the tenuous but much desired asthetically pleasurable dilution that the west is ideologically great and everyone else agrees by emulating.

Also, the Chinese may not have implementation of rights structured as is familiar to us in the west.  But they now have considerable assurance of tolerance of of a wide range of activities, which is the practical generalizable bottom line, as oppose to specific detached theoretical conception, of rights.   What is more important is that, since 1980s, the range of assured tolerance, the real bottom line of practical rights,  has vastly expanded at the same time as enormous rise in standard of living.    I think most Chinese would regard china as being on broadly the right trajectory in ways that are important to them.
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RE: Is contemporary atheism sufficient to sustain a civilisation? - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2016 at 11:06 am

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