(August 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(August 21, 2016 at 11:34 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Determinism and fatalism are the same thing. Don't start me on that again.
They're not.
Fatalism is the position that -no matter what you do- x will happen.
Determinism refers to what you do -as- a contributing factor to what will happen.
One is a subjugation of all things to fate, whereas the other is an explanation of current (or future) events by reference to individual and collective causal attributions.
Let me put it differently. Fatalism may be different from determinism, but it is the correct position to take concerning how our universe functions. Given that hard determinism in true, it is very much true that no matter what you (think you will) do, x will happen.
You certainly have to make the connection in your own mind, I can't force you to do it. The two ideas are separated semantically for a reason, that doesn't mean they aren't both true descriptions of the world.
