(August 29, 2016 at 1:26 am)Whateverist Wrote: Of course. And life does this as it must in whatever way it does and the survivors reproduce. What do you think we are arguing about? I concede that everything must be accommodated by life .. forces, materials, predators, same-niche competitors, you name it. You keep mentioning more of these but why?Does order and design require intention? Does a human father or mother design the fetus? No, the design of the fetus is inherent in the DNA re-combination of the parents. No "intelligent design" required. I have found the same in the relationship of the universe to God. The order/design is inherent in the Origin, it is geometric and self limiting. Even science speaks of the current individuation of forces and things as in inherent and "unfolded/unfurled" from the singularity of space/time/matter/forces before inflation.
My only point is that none of these things are exercising intention. There is not only no designer there is also no plan being carried out of any kind. Do you speak zen? Do you know the poem:
Quote:The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection, and the water has no mind to retain their image.
Similarly life does not intend to survive to reproduce itself, rather, that which survives to reproduce will most often produce more life of the same kind because that is all that it can do. The cosmos has no mind to impose anything, rather, the cosmos just is the totality of forces and materials with which all life must contend. Is there intentionality behind the composition of the cosmos? Of what would that consist? I don't think so.
Only the media representation of the singularity, with all that black nothing space outside, violates it's own logic from the get go. There is no space outside the singularity, the only valid point of perspective is within the singularity. There is no single center in radial relation to a membrane and space outside that does not exist. And if you screw up the start, everything down the line will retain the error of perspective.
Nice poem!
From what I have found in macro universal structure (several nested structures), life is inevitable and the total vibration of these structures on the fabric of space-time directly pattern for DNA. Geometrically.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder