(September 9, 2016 at 5:07 pm)Lek Wrote:(September 9, 2016 at 3:47 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: God is evil, and malevolent if he exists.
He could do something.
But he doesn't give a fuck.
God is not evil, he gives us all eternal life with him. He could do something about suffering and death, but they're not evil if they are for a good purpose.
Quote:And provide a case for the existence of god.
With citations, specialized authors, peer-reviews, etc.
There is no scientific proof for God with citations, etc., and there doesn't need to be. We can't prove the existence of other life in the universe, but with the size of the universe, I'd bet that there is. I believe in God because I searched for him and he caused me to believe. As far as atheism, I see no natural explanation for the existence of the universe or any answer to the questions of how far the universe extends or what lies beyond the universe. I personally see a greater case for something something supernatural co-existing with the natural universe.
Quote:And pascals wager here dude.
Your religion ain't perfect either, I'm taking account to all of the Jedeo-chrsitain/Islamic religions and dominations.
I don't claim my religion is perfect. No religion is perfect. No human belief system is perfect.
Quote:However Hitler had a choice to not kill them. But he let them die.
God had a choice to let them live. But he let them die.
Life is our existence from the beginning to the end, not just to when we're finished here. God allows us to live eternally.
Quote:If god lets us be happy we won't be affected by free will.
It's will against will and if we succumb than if was our choice.
But god doesn't offer us help. So we don't have much of a choice.
God doesn't have to let us be happy, but he does. He helps, but if you want his help you need to let him be the boss. There are conditions and you have the free will not to accept those conditions.
Quote:If a guns pointed at my head and the mugger says "Gimme your money," is it my fault that I'm dead when I say "No,"?
If I say "if you go into that alley a mugger is going to kill you" is it your fault that you're dead if you go anyway?
Give me life so I can suffer? I'd rather not exist.
He should be smart enough to create life with only pleasure, or heaven.
Expect everywhere.
He should make his presence known first hand.
Otherwise why should take his word.
He could do something about suffering, but he doesn't.
He is an asshole.
Um, no.
That's not how science works.
Through science we can determine that in similar conditions to Earth other planets may host life.
But they very well may not. I feel like there is. But fuck my feelings.
There might be Iron based life forms, but that is a hypothesis.
However god is just an idea. Weaker than a Theory, Weaker than a Hypothesis.
There are plenty of "scientific theories" (google the definition if you know what it really means) out there with no contradictions but there lacks a way to observe it.
However with those theories we can use scientific instruments such as telescopes with a wide spectrum of light detectors to look at the cosmic microwave back ground.
Which btw, could only exist if the big bang had occurred.
And atheism doesn't require science.
It's just that most atheists are smart and can look through god with science.
And no one cares about what you feel personally, the human sense is horrible and science is science.
So far their is nothing that can solve problems better than science.
If there was, god would have provided it and I would have bowed down.
So you admit, the religion of your god (all powerful, knowing, etc.) isn't perfect?
How do you know that god lets you live eternally.
Because the (insert holy book) says so?
Then how do I take it's word?
Because it's god's word?
How do I know it's god's word?
Because the (insert holy book) says so?
If I'm dying, and someone can save me...
But I have to suck his dick and call him cock master, is he not evil in a way?
Why do our actions affect god?
He's all powerful.
But there's multiple allys and multiple people saying their allys are going to kill me.
Which one do I pick.
All the people pointing at them are crazy.
All of them believe in a magical sky daddy(s) or mommy(s).
And if I find that taking the long way is safer and I take that road...
Some of the people will try to kill me for not going in their ally.
So I die either way.
But if I take the street, there's a chance I'll live.