(May 19, 2011 at 4:01 pm)Nimzo Wrote:You're putting words in my mouth. I never said it was a law of logic but simply logic, maybe basic reasoning would have been a better way to say it. Either way, you can address it or keep dancing around the true subject at hand.(May 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: If A created everything and B exists, then A created B.Firstly, that is not a Law of Logic, but a syllogism. Secondly, it is a non-sequitur because you are equivocating "things" and "things that exist". The text (at least our ye olde King James Version) does not say God created all things that exist. It says God created "all things". Since evil is not a "thing", but a moral property, you will need to search a bit harder for your elusive Law of Logic.
As for God creating "all things," things that exist is a subset of "all things," therefore God created everything that exists.
Nimzo Wrote:It is rationality that is the issue, not clarity.I agree. Your ability to rationalize is definitely lacking.
Nimzo Wrote:I was providing a counterexample to your assertion that "if God created everything, and something exists, then he is either directly or indirectly responsible for it". I am applying your asserted principle to the case of God's existence, which I am quite free to do to show its absurdity.But if God exists and he did not create himself, then God did not truly create all things. Your example fails to meet the standards set by the text of God creating all things.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
