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Proverbs 16:4
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RE: Proverbs 16:4
(May 20, 2011 at 8:16 am)tackattack Wrote: I agree with the verse. I did not state at any time that God created people evil, merely that he created people andb evil. He created us for the propensity for evil, knowing we would opt for options, and I can only hope that in the long run he sees it being a betterment on the overall of creation.
God is not all loving as he does hate, and they are opposites in the common concepts. He does however love people regardless of the lives they choose. As a Christian I'm not farmiliar with God being a Santa Claus being a common concept, perhaps it is in your regional experience, but not in mine. I'm not sure of your exact question in the next to last sentence. Perhaps you could restate and clarify for me. Thanks!

Is "andb" a mistake? Nonetheless, I don't understand clearly what you mean.
I thought that that tendency to do evil - i.e. it is much easier to do evil than to do good, so the "evil" (hating, despising, envying, with all the effects that come with them) is done even unintentionally by us, even if we really struggle not to do them, and they come much more easily when you're not careful about them, while for "good" (caring, forgiving, giving respect to all people, have good intentions) you really have to struggle, to be in that way. And this is what I understand of the "inherited sin" (which it seems to be represented, and to support my view, in Romans 7.14-23)

As about Santa Claus, I did not mean it literally (i.e. to be dressed in red with white, etc.). I meant how Santa Claus is regarded: as a cheerful old man that thinks only of good and comes to fulfill any wish people (i.e. children) have. And there are many people that see God as such. I've heard an orthodox christian saying that "God is bleeding love", a pentecostal saying that "God is delicate", etc. There are people that see God as an over-compassionate person that falls to his feelings of love, and who would never punish anybody in a hell (well, except for the extremely evil persons!). Very probably from this theory, many atheists also see God somewhat similar (e.g. that God, in order to exist, must do all good to them, unconditionally, and forgive everything they do, unconditionally. And if He does not do so, it means that He does not exist).

That question of mine was quite rhetorical. And I meant that a Creator (that is a responsible person, with all mental faculties) would not be defined as "good" if He was as described above, but stupid (i.e. you do everything against Him, rape children, kill people, mock Him, etc., but Him to simply act as nothing happened).
(May 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm)RDK Wrote: My relationship with God is not based on what I read and can not understand, but with what I can.
Quote:He just wants a loving relationship with us, and with that we will understand more.
Please define your "relationship with God" and "a loving relationship [of God] with us".

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Proverbs 16:4 - by Skipper - May 18, 2011 at 11:15 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Kayenneh - May 18, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Skipper - May 18, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 18, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Ace Otana - May 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by DeistPaladin - May 18, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Strongbad - May 18, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 18, 2011 at 1:27 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Angrboda - May 19, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Skipper - May 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Skipper - May 18, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 18, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 5:43 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 18, 2011 at 6:11 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 18, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 18, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 18, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 19, 2011 at 6:15 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 19, 2011 at 6:35 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 19, 2011 at 7:52 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Strongbad - May 19, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Nimzo - May 19, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by prayforme - May 20, 2011 at 3:48 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Faith No More - May 20, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Kayenneh - May 18, 2011 at 3:10 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by reverendjeremiah - May 18, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by padraic - May 18, 2011 at 8:46 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by RDK - May 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Eudaimonia - May 18, 2011 at 11:16 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 18, 2011 at 11:55 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 19, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Darwinian - May 19, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Godschild - May 19, 2011 at 1:23 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 19, 2011 at 3:07 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by padraic - May 19, 2011 at 3:15 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 19, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by RDK - May 19, 2011 at 12:15 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 19, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 19, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 19, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 20, 2011 at 2:28 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 20, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 20, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 20, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 20, 2011 at 8:00 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 19, 2011 at 1:47 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Kayenneh - May 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by tackattack - May 19, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by tackattack - May 20, 2011 at 3:02 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by tackattack - May 20, 2011 at 5:06 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by fr0d0 - May 20, 2011 at 5:44 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by prayforme - May 20, 2011 at 3:47 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 20, 2011 at 7:47 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by tackattack - May 20, 2011 at 8:16 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Ace Otana - May 20, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 20, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 20, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 20, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 20, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 20, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 20, 2011 at 6:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 20, 2011 at 6:45 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 20, 2011 at 7:22 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 20, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by JohnDG - May 21, 2011 at 4:08 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 21, 2011 at 8:29 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Ace Otana - May 21, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by RDK - May 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by RDK - May 21, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Cinjin - May 22, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by bbrettle - May 22, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by fr0d0 - May 22, 2011 at 8:04 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by bbrettle - May 23, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by fr0d0 - May 23, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Doubting Thomas - May 23, 2011 at 12:59 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 23, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 25, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 25, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 25, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Minimalist - May 23, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - June 4, 2011 at 8:52 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Anymouse - May 25, 2011 at 7:54 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 26, 2011 at 11:37 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by everythingafter - May 26, 2011 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - May 29, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - May 26, 2011 at 6:55 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - June 6, 2011 at 9:21 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - June 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - June 8, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by Zenith - June 9, 2011 at 6:53 am
RE: Proverbs 16:4 - by tackattack - June 9, 2011 at 7:06 am



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