(September 16, 2016 at 9:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(September 16, 2016 at 9:18 pm)Jesster Wrote: Benny, that's like asking us to prove that no god exists. Of course we can't do that. The rational response is to not accept it until the evidence for it is there, though. I'm not even saying that there isn't more to existence than materialism. I just don't have any reason to believe otherwise yet.
Reason to "believe otherwise"? I think you're skipping an important step-- the reason to believe that there IS a material world at all. I know everyone feels very confident about the reality of things, but who here has an experience of the material world that is in accord with modern scientific views? Nobody.
So I'd suggest we explore just HOW we think there's a material world at all, and whether our reasons are sufficient.
I'd also suggest that since all knowledge is collected by way of subjective experience, that experience itself is the only thing we know to be real. And the world view that best represents this would be an idealistic monism, not a material one.
The reason to believe in more than the material world is that there is a material world? Sorry, benny. You lost me there. Accepting 'X' does not bring me closer to accepting 'not X'. If you want to reference modern scientific views, though, we don't even need an expert to start with the basics of that. Science assumes materialism and nothing more. I'll stick with that for now.
I don't believe you. Get over it.