(September 17, 2016 at 6:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So consciousness, which may be an illusion, is the sole testifying witness to the question of whether or not it's an illusion? That's circular as all hell. You might as well say, "because I believe." Your own consciousness, which may be lying to you, is not lying to you, "because your consciousness tells you it's not lying." Well you've persuaded me that your consciousness isn't lying to itself; how could I doubt you? That's stupid, Benny. Saying that it's self-evident is simply wrong. There is no such thing as self-evidence at that level. Something* must be making it evident, and that something is this consciousness thing that you say is not an illusion, why? Because it's obvious? That's a stupid, thoughtless response.You are making an error between proofs and definitions. If I'm aware of my consciousness lying. . . I'm conscious.!
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