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The unmoved mover
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RE: The unmoved mover
(September 24, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am)Jehanne Wrote: And, by the way, who created the "Unmoved Mover"?  But, if "Unmoved Mover" has always existed, why not just say that the Universe has always existed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re..._cosmology

Occam's Razor says that we should not multiply hypotheses beyond necessity, so why invoke God to explain anything, existence or consciousness?

Because according to modern science, the space of the universe had a beginning. Space was created in the substance of the Unmoved Mover.

This is bullshit, the type of which drips from William Lane Craig's mouth.  A number of eternal cosmologies, with beginningless and endless Universes, exist in the published literature.  You can find them right here:

https://arxiv.org/
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The unmoved mover - by fdesilva - September 23, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Esquilax - September 23, 2016 at 2:12 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 23, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by BrokenQuill92 - September 23, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by ApeNotKillApe - September 23, 2016 at 2:47 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2016 at 3:41 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:42 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:52 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by ApeNotKillApe - September 24, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by The Grand Nudger - September 23, 2016 at 2:57 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by fdesilva - September 23, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by LastPoet - September 23, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by fdesilva - September 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Joods - September 23, 2016 at 5:25 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Ravenshire - September 24, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Cyberman - September 23, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 23, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by fdesilva - September 23, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by SteelCurtain - September 23, 2016 at 3:57 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jesster - September 23, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 23, 2016 at 4:44 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 23, 2016 at 5:03 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Alex K - September 23, 2016 at 5:10 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by fdesilva - September 23, 2016 at 4:30 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 23, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 23, 2016 at 8:43 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 23, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2016 at 4:38 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 23, 2016 at 10:36 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by LastPoet - September 23, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Joods - September 23, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Athene - September 23, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by brewer - September 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 23, 2016 at 7:20 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Athene - September 23, 2016 at 7:22 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Bunburryist - September 23, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 23, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Angrboda - September 23, 2016 at 5:50 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Angrboda - September 23, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 24, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Minimalist - September 23, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Joods - September 23, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 23, 2016 at 10:28 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 5:52 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 3:14 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:19 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 7:13 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 8:18 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 10:18 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 25, 2016 at 8:56 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 25, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:06 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 4:51 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 7:02 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 7:20 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 8:19 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 10:17 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 10:48 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 5:13 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 5:47 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by InquiringMind - September 23, 2016 at 10:55 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2016 at 12:39 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Esquilax - September 24, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 24, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 25, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:19 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:24 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 3:25 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Esquilax - September 24, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by ukatheist - September 24, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - September 24, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 1:51 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jehanne - September 24, 2016 at 3:06 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:17 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 5:50 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by LostLocke - September 25, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: The unmoved mover - by Soldat Du Christ - October 13, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Soldat Du Christ - October 13, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Cyberman - October 13, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Whateverist - October 14, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Jesster - October 13, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: The unmoved mover - by Primordial Bisque - October 14, 2016 at 2:32 pm



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