Progress...

[Cinjin]

I'm intrigued though, why don't you think this step towards equality (in thinking anyway) is progress?

What I'm finding difficult to understand in this thread is how, as a moral nihilist, you are able to make claims about "progress" - that one state of affairs is better than another. As a Christian I can make sense of it with God having a particular purpose for how human society should be and our society progressing towards (or regressing away from) that standard. From your perspective, how do you make sense of the idea of "progress"?

(Please do move this question to somewhere more appropriate - philosophy perhaps - if you only want to focus on the political and historical questions in this thread.)

I can't speak for Adrian, but quantifying progress is very easy in this case. Peaceful co-existence of the entire world - no matter your race, your sexual orientation, your nationality or anything else -- that is the goal. Anything that moves us closer to that goal is progress. Giving gays and lesbians the same civil rights that you currently enjoy is progress. The majority of people who don't see that are most always religious people.

Christianity inherently slows progress. You see, most of you people believe that "god hates fags" and because of that homosexuals don't deserve the happiness that you deserve. However, your definition of progress probably hit its peak in the Dark Ages when the hand of god kept blinders on the human race and 99% of the population were sheep. Or are you better than that?