Progress...

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I can't speak for Adrian, but quantifying progress is very easy in this case. Peaceful co-existence of the entire world - no matter your race, your sexual orientation, your nationality or anything else -- that is the goal. Anything that moves us closer to that goal is progress. Giving gays and lesbians the same civil rights that you currently enjoy is progress. The majority of people who don't see that are most always religious people.

Peaceful co-existence? So everything dies, no matter its race, 'sexual orientation', nationality, or anything else?

My hope is that one day: people stop using the word 'rights', civil or barbaric or ticklish they claim them to be.

Christianity inherently slows progress. You see, most of you people believe that "god hates fags" and because of that homosexuals don't deserve the happiness that you deserve. However, your definition of progress probably hit its peak in the Dark Ages when the hand of god kept blinders on the human race and 99% of the population were sheep. Or are you better than that?

Actually, christianity does not inherently slow 'progress of peaceful co-existence' whether you consider that death or some level of activity past that. The "Dark Ages" populace was kept in check not by God but by incessantly warring feudal lords. Muslims had themselves a right golden age including technological advancement and vast country... but I suppose they inherently slowed progress towards this sickening goal of yours due to the heavy hand of God?? :Sleepy:

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I don't think any gay people are advocating religious marriage, they just want the legal benefits for them and their partners that marriage brings. And I agree, I don't know why gay people want anything to do with a doctrine that condemns their lifestyle.

I condemn their lifestyle too: hating yourself because someone interpreted the bible to imply that god seriously does not approve when clearly it is only written not to lie with a man as one would a woman (it's kind of hard to do otherwise, frankly)? Poor sods need to garner some reading comprehension