(October 7, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(October 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: This is my biggest disagreement with the anti-circumcision crowd. I just don't see the big deal about it. I know some users will say, "It's a chunk of your junk, how do you not care!?" but I really don't. Last time I had this argument I was told that circumcision is a child abuse, and parents who do it to their poor defenseless babies should have their child taken away. Because I'm clearly so traumatized by this thing that I have absolutely no memory of that a majority of American males had done to them too...There are medical benefits to having a clean dick...but we're not talking about clean dicks, we're talking circumcision. Now, I can understand that you don't care..but why would you, you don't have foreskin, you have no point of comparison or consideration. You've always been the way you are, in your memory, cut. If someone told someone else to cut off a piece of my dick....and they actually tried it...I'd shoot them both without a qualm in the world. I wouldn't serve a day in jail for it either, particularly if I were a child...because all of a sudden the reality of the situation becomes apparent...a reality which you, as an outsider with no possible point of comparison, cannot comprehend and thus do not care about.
I won't even get into the medical benefits because it became clear to me last time I debated this that, while there are benefits to it, they're not very big ones.
You don't know how you'd feel about it, had your mother decided to hold the scalpel. I have -some- idea as to how a person in that scenario might feel. This isn't a failing in you, it's not something that I think speaks to something about you in the negative, it's just the reality of -why- you don't care...and why that seems to be, in your estimation, a worthwhile and meaningful response to the anti-circumcision crowd.
As to trauma and memory, many children do not remembver being abused..in fact..that;s a common response to abuse. Is that an excuse for abusing them..does that get the abuser off the hook? "Well, they don't remember it, so, we cool?" No, ofc not.
It is a common response to abuse, but are you actually going to compare the process of circumcision to serious physical and/or sexual abuse that could last for a much longer period in a child's life? Do you think those who were cut are psychologically damaged in some way because they experienced something the literal day they were born? I think the multitude of cut men who come out and say, "Eh, big deal" in response to the anti-circumcision movement does give some legitimacy to my argument. So many people paint circumcision as this awful, abusive, horrific practice, and, regardless of whether it is or not, when the people who have experienced circumcision are largely indifferent, I think it says something.
I was born in Brooklyn and grew up on Long Island. In other words, I was surrounded by Jews. The fact that most men in the area are cut, combined with the medical benefits*, it seemed like an easy decision for my parents to make. And I have yet to feel upset about it.
*I assume you know the benefits already so I won't bother getting into them. And yes, I understand that the benefits may not be enough to warrant the surgery on their own, but in combination with the cultural norms of the area I was born, the decision made perfect sense.
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