Another Circumcision thread

[Whateverist]

And as someone who has 'suffered' standard, Murican male genital mutilation .. it isn't so bad.  I'm sure I didn't enjoy it when it happened but it doesn't bother me now and I've suffered no disappointment in its use in more than fifty years of sexual sport and practice.  So I still maintain that male circumcision is an area where the law can reasonably permit tribal preferences to prevail.  I'm not telling the jews they can't call in the mohel to initiate their newborn son and I'm not telling Cath-y she is wrong to do it to her male child if that is what she and her husband choose.  I may wince, but I don't think how I feel about it is anything which should deter them from living life on their own terms.

All I know is a person I care about was carrying a child which died before birth.  Don't really give a fuck what anyone else wants to call what she was carrying.  The phrase "carrying a child" in standard usage fits to a T.

-would you tell a parent that they cannot mutilate their daughters genitalia?  

How -could- you suffer disappointment, you have no point of comparison....ad is that really a very good justification for genital mutilation?  I probably wouldn't have been as impressed with the sex you've had, for example.  Not to say it wasn't awsome, rowdy, sweet, and all of the above or whatever it is that it strikes you as.  Just that I'd have felt more than you did.  How are you, in this, different from a female apologist for the cultural tradition of genital mutilation...who takes the stage to shame others into silence?

Losing a child, at any point in the pregnancy, is heartbreaking.  You don't have to tell me that.  My wife and I lived it, tried again, and got lucky with our last, as you might've remembered.  He had a little bit of trouble himself..again as you may remember..from my tortured posts between visits to the NICU.  In fact, no one, anywhere in the world, will ever be able to shame me into holding my tongue over anything, by referring to the loss of a child...which I've suffered on every conceivable level, unborn, and newborn...still living, and dead.  So stow it.

Well sorry for both your losses.  But arguing over what to call what had been carried before it was lost doesn't seem kind.  Maybe we can just all have our own thoughts about that, and if there is a legal nit to pick start a thread for those interested?

Politics and the law are messy.  Don't we agree that maximizing personal freedom is generally desirable?  But there are a lot of tough calls - especially as regards parents rights where their kids are concerned.  There are areas where parental rights are currently respected where I would prefer that the state and the law intercede.  Vaccinations for one.  But I'm just not feeling the need to intercede over circumcision.  [Insert obvious joke about mutilation induced loss of feeling here.]

Abortion is really the opposite situation where precedent of law already favors the individual's decision whether to continue a pregnancy.  I'm against changing that and I appreciate when people who feel strongly that abortion is a horror not constantly grind that ax at every opportunity.   I just think for the same reasons that people who feel my wiener is an atrocity not constantly bang away at it every opportunity they get.  Don't want the little guy to get a complex or start recovering memories.